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[zoiDman]

And they cannot tax prescription drugs either!

The Supreme Court Basically told the FDA that they Couldn't have it Both Way when it came to e-liquids.

You Can't say they are a Drug. And then Want to Control them as a tobacco Product. Has to be One or the Other.

So we went down the tobacco Product Route. Which is the Lesser of the Two Evils. Which is Good. But the FDA Does have the Ability to Regulate a Tobacco Product. Which is Bad.

 

[Boletus]

Well said and the other unspoken fact is the ingredients are heated to the vaporizing point making them potentially more "concentrated" raising the amount or purity/strength taken in. Pure "horse" can kill, this is one reason why it is "cut", perhaps "pure blueberry flavoring" is just as lethal! .....something to ponder

"It is the dose that makes the poison."
- Paracelsus

 

[zoiDman]

I did not know that is something I can do; all of my experience is with known toxins, not consumer products. Can you point me toward guidance on that process?

BTW - I'm sure you have seen the Sticky.

But if Anyone Hasn't, Please Read this Thread...

Announcements -

 

[Boletus]

BTW - I'm sure you have seen the Sticky.

But if Anyone Hasn't, Please Read this Thread...

Announcements -

Yup, I'm on it, and thanks for putting it out here too. This is probably our last, best chance to shape forthcoming legislation as individual consumers. As the saying goes, speak now, or forever hold your peace.

 

[Shirtbloke]

Can I just thank Boletus for asking a difficult question that would never have occurred to me and for everyone else who chipped in and brought a bit of sanity to the problem. I've learned a lot from it. There are times when this site is a definite education and this has been one of them. Thanks again.

 

[Boletus]

I think I get it now. According to this blog (link provided by rdwg in another thread),
Made in the USA E-Liquid - Well, Sort Of ... | E-Cig Express Blog

, none of the nicotine used in e-juice (or pharmaceutical nicotine products) made here or anywhere else is actually synthesized in the US. I have seen such claims made elsewhere. If that is so, it seems likely that most of the Certificates of Analysis provided by vendors come from their suppliers in India or China. And because a big selling point for domestic e-juice is that it is "Made in the USA," even though components are produced elsewhere (that is actually common for many industries, not just e-juice), the vendors do not include the name, location, or credentials from the lab reports.

Does that put me off? Actually, no, it is somewhat reassuring. Having no idea why someone would omit the most important part of a Certificate of Analysis, the name of the lab, was quite troublesome for me. But if I see a rational motivation that is reasonable considering the current state of the industry, that goes a long way toward turning off my alarm bells (even if it is less than entirely forthcoming of the vendors). The fact that the nic is actually produced in another country is perhaps a little disappointing, but if it is the same stuff used in gum, patches, inhalers, etc., well that is what is available, and certainly safer than smoking, considering that is known to kill you, and retail cigarettes contain other things beside tobacco that are possibly more harmful than the tobacco itself.

But would I like to see more transparency? Yes. Is that enough to make me anywhere near as afraid of vaping as I am of cigarettes? Absolutely not.

 

[Boletus]

Can I just thank Boletus for asking a difficult question that would never have occurred to me and for everyone else who chipped in and brought a bit of sanity to the problem. I've learned a lot from it. There are times when this site is a definite education and this has been one of them. Thanks again.

I've learned a few things too, and gained some valuable perspective, so I want to thank everyone that has taken the time to contribute to this discussion.

 

[Tangaroav]

I only do juice from USA and all natural juice - I have yet to find a juice from china or India that is any good - those bottles you get - 50 ml for $5 - you get what you pay for - and you never know what's in there

You should try Dekang, you will be pleasantly surprised. I is made in highly controled environments and its quality is great. The price is low because they are not selling it at 10 times its cost. Same with Yaeliq or Killer juice that are also highly competive.

 

[Boletus]

Thanks classwife. I have visited that commenter's profile and will be sure to never purchase anything from that supplier. Not only was it a shill comment, but it was trying to propagate the kind of disinformation I have been working hard to wade through.