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Sorry.....................I still have a Chunk of - FOR THE CHILDREN - stuck in my throat.
The Whole Dog and Pony Show is 100% geared on - Saving Children Campaign - from a minimal risk related industry...................
While continuing to Gloss over or completely Hide the Larger Picture of vaping SAVING Adult Smokers by offering a LESS Harmful Alternative.
So................................91 Days and Let the Hammer Drop......
I Hope the FDA hasn't invested to much in Human Resources because it is likely 99.9% of Market products will never see a Filing for Compliance.
People will be sitting around processing Air.
The Whole Dog and Pony Show is 100% geared on - Saving Children Campaign - from a minimal risk related industry...................
While continuing to Gloss over or completely Hide the Larger Picture of vaping SAVING Adult Smokers by offering a LESS Harmful Alternative.
So................................91 Days and Let the Hammer Drop......
I Hope the FDA hasn't invested to much in Human Resources because it is likely 99.9% of Market products will never see a Filing for Compliance.
People will be sitting around processing Air.
All set, thanksIt turns out the sign-up is something that ad blockers see as bad. Internet Explorer (without any Ad Block) worked.
strange, i had no problems signing up - ff 46.01 with adblockplus
Yes, on my FF 45.1.0 with AB Plus I have to disable ABP to see the subscribe header. I didn't think of that until I did get through with IE. Disable ABP and it shows, enable and it goes away. Just a note item, if anyone else has trouble
It looked like I subscribed okay...I got the link to see the live feed and all. Put in my info on the form and it just seemed to go through. But...no email confirmation yet. I do have AdBlock. It just seemed to go through...but no email.
The email comes from support at vaping dot com. I didn't receive a classic subscription confirmation email -- what I got was a reminder e-mail for Zeller's TMA presentation (which included a brief thanks for subscribing).
It was only a matter of time and many more to come. Obviously the comment period ignored and dismissed every single point about reduced harm and effectiveness. However, in court the voice gets much louder. And will bring a lot more publicity for the cause. The unbiased truth will come out eventually. But it's going to be a cage match getting the job done.
And, now the battle begins in earnest with Nicopure leading the way, along with CASAA, SFATA, AEMSA, AVA and NBS. GO TEAM!
Ok, I never got caught up reading the previous thread, so I never commented there. I'm just going to do it here.
I know I'm not the only one who thinks this, but I haven't seen any of the leaders of the vaping movements acknowledge it. Zeller even said it himself. Once deemed as a tobacco product, they are obliged to regulate it as they do other tobacco products. It looks like the regulations are especially harsh against vaping, but honestly, they're the same guidelines that cigarettes and smokeless have. Yes, it's much worse for vaping because we don't have the luxury of having all of the current products on the market grandfathered in, and that would definitely help.
What I don't know is, how much of the PMTA process(for ALL tobacco) was in the statute of the FSPTCA and how much of it was just stuff that the FDA made up. If the FDA just made it up, but congress accepted it, does that then make it part of the statute, or is it just regulatory guidelines that the FDA is free to change. From what Zeller has said, it doesn't seem like they're free to change it at will, but maybe that's just a CYA statement?
I guess my question is, would it take an act of Congress to change the tobacco regulations? I know it would take an act of Congress to reverse the deeming, taking vapor products out of the hands of tobacco control altogether.
I know I'm not the only one who thinks this, but I haven't seen any of the leaders of the vaping movements acknowledge it. Zeller even said it himself. Once deemed as a tobacco product, they are obliged to regulate it as they do other tobacco products. It looks like the regulations are especially harsh against vaping, but honestly, they're the same guidelines that cigarettes and smokeless have. Yes, it's much worse for vaping because we don't have the luxury of having all of the current products on the market grandfathered in, and that would definitely help.
What I don't know is, how much of the PMTA process(for ALL tobacco) was in the statute of the FSPTCA and how much of it was just stuff that the FDA made up. If the FDA just made it up, but congress accepted it, does that then make it part of the statute, or is it just regulatory guidelines that the FDA is free to change. From what Zeller has said, it doesn't seem like they're free to change it at will, but maybe that's just a CYA statement?
I guess my question is, would it take an act of Congress to change the tobacco regulations? I know it would take an act of Congress to reverse the deeming, taking vapor products out of the hands of tobacco control altogether.
A lot of it is in the statute, so it would take an act of Congress to change the requirements and the basis of finding for making an approval.
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ31/pdf/PLAW-111publ31.pdf
Search for "sec. 910" and it takes you right to the part where you can see that most of the language in the draft guidance is pulled right from the statute.
That's kind of what I thought, so it begs the question, how did we expect the FDA to treat vaping differently, once it was classified as a tobacco product? Once it's a tobacco product, they have to apply tobacco regulations to it.
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