Vaping banned at work...

[knightwolf123]

So I'm at work minding my own business and my area manager approaches me and wants me to go out back for a discussion. More of a bit of information that's to be handed to me actually. The franchise had decided that they are banning "electronic cigarettes" and if I chose to use it I must be more than 25 feet away from any building. This is the policy for normal smokers and now I'm being treated as a smoker when I'm trying to stop a terrible habit. I've been smoking a pack to a pack and a half a day for over twenty years and I've been vaping for about a month. I have reduced my habit to about one to two cigarettes a day by vaping while in at work.

The reason in posting this is I have been looking all over the internet for information I can hand them to educate my employer about vaping aka the "electronic cigarette" that I use.

I have found bits and pieces of good information but nothing that I can print out or direct a link to my employer. Does anyone have a link to information that they have used to help convince an employer from being in a similar situation.

Thank you in advance for reading this and also for any information to provide to me.

 

[Smokachino]

Easy! If you haven't already done so, join CASAA (link to join is right under my signature) . They have lots of great authoritative and educational info you can print out.

 

[BernieVideo]

I'm sorry, that sucks.

I work in a small office and they let me vape. They are so happy I quit smoking.

Bottom line is, you have to obey their rules, no matter how uninformed they are.
The link to CASAA is a great place to begin educating your HR dept.
But be prepared for it to not make a bit of difference.

 

[Robino1]

So I'm at work minding my own business and my area manager approaches me and wants me to go out back for a discussion. More of a bit of information that's to be handed to me actually. The franchise had decided that they are banning "electronic cigarettes" and if I chose to use it I must be more than 25 feet away from any building. This is the policy for normal smokers and now I'm being treated as a smoker when I'm trying to stop a terrible habit. I've been smoking a pack to a pack and a half a day for over twenty years and I've been vaping for about a month. I have reduced my habit to about one to two cigarettes a day by vaping while in at work.

The reason in posting this is I have been looking all over the internet for information I can hand them to educate my employer about vaping aka the "electronic cigarette" that I use.

I have found bits and pieces of good information but nothing that I can print out or direct a link to my employer. Does anyone have a link to information that they have used to help convince an employer from being in a similar situation.

Thank you in advance for reading this and also for any information to provide to me.

Here is an excellent link for you to take to your employer.

http://publichealth.drexel.edu/SiteData/docs/ms08/f90349264250e603/ms08.pdf

Good luck!

 

[Robino1]

CASAA's press release regarding the Study that I posted in the above.

CASAA: New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk

 

[PONKAW]

if I chose to use it I must be more than 25 feet away from any building.

Don't feel too bad... I started work at a place where the smoke area (vapers included) is literally 1/4 mile from the offices. 1/2 mile round trip to vape for 10 min. Ridiculous.

 

[kbf101998]

Too bad! So frustrating all the way around--good luck on your quest to educate!

I am clicking the links suggested too--to gather information as I think we are in for a long haul trying to help people understand the difference.

I realized that when I was in a different state in a restaurant -- and when taking out some things from my purse, I set my PV on the table--no intention of using it--just digging for my glasses so I could see the menu.

The manager came rushing over to our table and said --"We treat those things just like cigarettes--they are not allowed."

I just looked at him and said "Why"???-- He stammered around with no answer, finally said--"because we do" and walked off.

I realized right then--a long way to go....

 

[stevegmu]

If the franchise has prohibited vaping, it is out of your area manager's control. It is what it is. Either accept the policy, or get another job. I can't vape in my car or on the property of my workplace. So be it. My job is more important to me than e-nic. Educating a policy out of existence virtually never happens.

 

[knightwolf123]

I have compiled a small list that I send to my area manager in efforts to educate. I hope it helps.

Here is the email I sent.


I wanted you to know that I respect the franchise decision about vaping aka personal vaporizer aka electronic cigarette however if you get bored, consider educating yourself about what it means to people who use them. I have provided a few links to information about the subject.


http://medcitynews.com/2013/07/so-m...-vaper-policies-and-its-impact-on-healthcare/

http://www.policymic.com/mobile/articles/2773/e-cigarette-bans-are-absurd

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/...gulations-because-theyre-not-made-of-tobacco/

http://www.quitintime.com/why-are-electronic-cigarettes-being-banned-in-public-places/



Fortunately my area manager is pretty understanding and the worst thing that can happen is a really long conversation. We will see in the next couple days what occurs due to my efforts.

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[dr g]

Be careful with the hotair link. That is a highly partisan website.

You really need to include casaa/drexel links

 

[Mrs C]

I've worked at a level to be the person setting in place policies on what employees may or may not do. You would have had my interest with that message up until "if you get bored".

 

[optsmk]

The problem with ecigs is that there is no real documentation from a trusted group anywhere, good or bad. If someone like the cancer society, FDA, Lung Association or some other group like that would come out in support of e-cigs, things might change. But until that happens you can count on most people thinking that "if it looks like smoking, then it is smoking" as long as that is the case everyone will eventually ban vaping everywhere smoking is banned. End of story.

Look at it this way. If caffeine were discovered today and was sold in the form of a white powder, do you think it would be legal?

 

[Belushi]

Just got this notice at work. It was good while it lasted, but seems to be an issue all of a sudden (e.g. sounds like someone complained). Anyways, going nuts now, vape-breaks don't seem to last like cig-breaks did; like I want to go down to the "designated smoking area" every hour, don't think that is going to fly. Using 18mg juice now, think I'm going to bump it up to 24mg at work, just use the 18mg at home. See how that works, maybe get a couple of tanks, 1 for work, 1 for home.

Electronic Vapor Smoking Devices are Not Allowed in the Office!!!

It has been brought to Human Resources attention that some employees are using electronic smoking devices within our offices. While these devices are not tobacco based they are inappropriate for use within our offices and are not allowed. Any employee using these devices must use in the designated smoking area.

 

[ch2468]

cancer society
Lung Association

Not likely. They get paid off by the government, and big pharma. If they lose tobacco revenues, then they can't continue to spread their message of "clean living".

 

[TruckDrivinMama]

That is unfortunate and unfair. But their turf, their rules. In my full time job, in the old days, everyone used to sort packages and load delivery trucks with analogs dangling in their mouths. Nowadays, i vape right in my managers office during our union grievance meetings. My management team guesses the blue collar impression and nature of my job doesnt really affect the bounds of vaping much. That's the answer i got from my HR staff for them to give the green light to vape.

But my other part time job in an office environment, NO vaping even in the car park (its a small one). I pushed the boundaries before the no vaping rule came about and vaped in the canteen room during supper hours. Got a few glares. Guess someone whistled and the rule was whipped out. Then management posted a notice explaining that it was deemed 'unprofessional conduct' esp in front of customers.

Anyone have this experience too? There's just a controversial touch to it and to what each and every company management team thinks. Some woo and some boo.

 

[broseph]

I tried to hide my smoking from my employers for years, and I continue by trying to hide my vaping. There's no way I'm going to one day start puffing clouds at my workstation and expect my employer and coworkers to be cool with it simply because it's not burning tobacco. One of the last things I want them to think is that I'm self destructive (Which is p. much what smoking was).

Do it in the bathroom! I don't care if you call it vooping or veeping or fabreezing the supply closet with the scent of muffins - just do it privately if you're going to do it at work.

It's way easier to hide it rather than fighting for my right to party (At work).

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Hate to say it but it's not just a health concern when employers do this (hence, educating on the harmlessness of vaping probably won't help). It also can look quite unprofessional for a client to walk into an office full of vapor with e-cigs hanging out of mouths hither and yon. And it DOES look like smoke, especially from a distance...so having to continuously tell clients and visitors that it's okay is going to be a bear for employers, and pretty time-intrusive (it's almost guaranteed they are not there to spend 20 minutes reading pamphlets and online sources and having a discussion on ecigs, and if you were visiting an office for a meeting, woudn't you resent the person who invited you giving you all this "education" on something totally unrelated and playing with your time that way? Who needs it?).

It's similar to rules about eating at one's desk. I mean you walk into an office and ten people are tossing crackers into their mouths and chomping on burgers -- just...no. Doesn't look professional and yes, many offices have policies about this.

Heads will turn, no matter what, when groups of people appear to be smoking in any standard office today, there will be surprise, there may be indignation, it will turn some clients off no matter what (and that may cost the company money), it can and will be a problem and a time-eater for employers. They don't want to deal with that. And why should they? Their company, their rules.

I don't believe e-cigs are banned from various offices for health reasons alone -- and sometimes not health reasons at all -- so I just don't think "educating" your employer will help (and it might just piss him off).

I mean you can try it, it's your boss, you know these people better than any of us here do.

ETA: I'm sure I personally would just go stealth vape in the bathroom when I needed to. And I'd "educate" in an informal setting -- when people asked. I wouldn't try to force "education" on my employer as to why he really should allow me my pleasure in HIS office at my discretion, I'd expect a "who the frog are you?" response. I may be conservative in this viewpoint but as far as I can see, jobs aren't so easy to come by that I want to gamble on annoying my boss with "TOLD you so" data until he found a reason to fire me.

 

[lvm111]

Well said people. Why be obvious about it? It's just gonna get you banned from doing it, and then you're stuck in a no win situation. Sometimes it pays to have just a modicum of common sense.

Vape stealthy, and vape on!

best regards, larry mac

 

[crxess]

I never even wasted my time. If you don't fit the corporate mold, no mater in which way, you are an outcast.

I am a Rebel WITH a CAUSE!!!! I Vape for me, my health and more time on this earth to spend with MY family.

I would just as soon be outside in the fresh air than inside with the Hypocrites.

 

[Belushi]

In my case, no huge clouds of vapor, only vaped at my workstation, maybe a few small hits every 10-15 minutes, blowing vapor downward, no flow of customers and/or would never vape amongst clients…actually I consider myself very considerate of others what ever I do.

I guess my concern is vaping is heading down the same path as cigarettes in terms of public opinion. Majority rules and the FDA/anti-tobacco groups has done out-flanked us by playing the political game; barrage of mis-information, cherry picking, say-it enough it must be true (e.g. brainwashing the general public). Vaping is becoming an easy target; easier to just ban it than taking the time to look at it objectively and/or coming up with a compromise set of rules (e.g. rather than the just send them to the "designated smoking area" rule). Let's just hope the vaping supplies stays clear of the sin-tax.