+1 on that, I just made a wrong turn, too much of a city boy now. I remember when I was a boy, I wanted to grow up and be a Forrest Ranger. Dang, missed that one
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+1 on that, I just made a wrong turn, too much of a city boy now. I remember when I was a boy, I wanted to grow up and be a Forrest Ranger. Dang, missed that one
Outside would be fine if we weren't also stuck with the smokers and their second hand smoke, blowing toxins into the air around us. /ex smoker rant
Outside would be fine if we weren't also stuck with the smokers and their second hand smoke, blowing toxins into the air around us. /ex smoker rant
they keep you all in a Box out there? World is mighty big. I just wonder off to my own little space with 4-5 of my converts.
Lets acknowledge the obvious. Who vapes? Smokers. Some ex-smokers, some still smokers. Non-smokers see us vapers as smokers. Doesn't really matter to them that we may be (or not) ex-smokers. It looks the same. Smoke/vapor. Why are we vaping? Because it satisfies our smoking urge. Is it healthy? Of course not. It's certainly better than smoking, but not near as healthy as just quitting smoking and not starting vaping.
I'm glad I quit smoking. And I love vaping. But come on, I just replaced one addiction for another. And to think I can just publicly expose myself vaping, and not realize/comprehend that non-smokers will see that as being basically the same as smoking is just being clueless! Wish it wasn't so, but that's how it is.
best regards, larry mac
I'm glad I quit smoking. And I love vaping. But come on, I just replaced one addiction for another. And to think I can just publicly expose myself vaping, and not realize/comprehend that non-smokers will see that as being basically the same as smoking is just being clueless! Wish it wasn't so, but that's how it is.
best regards, larry mac
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That's a good point. All the smokers know is that this one guy gets to blow clouds at his station and they are NOT allowed to. That's all that matters to them, and honestly, if I was still an analog smoker, I'd be pretty peeved too.
I'm lucky in that I'm allowed to vape at work, but I'm sure the smokers aren't all too thrilled about it. Luckily, no one's raised a stink (other than the smoke they produce, lol).
Missed the point entirely. Nobody cares what the smokers think. All that matters is what the non-smokers think. We're still smoking, we're just calling it vaping now!
best regards, larry mac
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Many employers just don't want to deal with the whinning from the smokers. It is the easy way out for them. That is the biggest reason why I try to treat vaping with the same regard as I did when smoking. If you can't do the one, your shouldn't do the other. Some people don't want to smell it, some are worried about the particulates, some just don't like the idea or look of it. Please bear in mind that it is your employer's decision as it is their business. They have no obligation to support your decisions. We would love it if everyone embraced our decision but the reality is that many don't and wont. There is nothing wrong wth making a case to allow it, but in the end, it isn't a right to vape. Just my two cents. Good luck and have fun.
Vaping is treated the same as "smoking" at my work. The rest of the story, as there always is, is that someone was seen smoking in a company vehicle and tried to tell the manager he using his e-cigg. Manager asked to see it and employee couldn't produce one. So now as not not place a burdon on management trying to verify the differance policy is the same. The smokers go outside left to smoke and I go outside right to smoke. One of them asked if I was to good too "smoke" with them. I informed him I was not smoking, was not "too good" but they however STUNK.
I work at a GREAT Native American owned casino/resort. Smoking is allowed just about everywhere.... BY CUSTOMERS! The employees are mitigated to a smoking shed out back out of the general public's view. All it took was for one cook to get caught vaping while working/cooking in the kitchen (yep, even as a proud vaporer, this gets my EWWWWWEY factor in high gear!). The cook was fired and now vaping is mitigated to the same employee smoking area. Even though some of us old timers might remember being served at the local "greasy spoon" by a server with a analog dangling from their lips, it didn't appear professional then (40+ years ago) and it still doesn't. I don't mind having to go out in the cold to vape, as long as it doesn't affect my paycheck. I don't think my family would understand, "Well, we're hungry because I couldn't control myself enough to step outside." Heck, I even have it worse than the smokers due to the fact that I can't stand going into the smoke shack and have to stand outside. Even though the shack is heated and has an exhaust fan ventilation system, I just can't stand the smell, thick smoke, or dirty environment (funny, 6 years ago I didn't notice!), or myself after spending any amount of time in there. Even in one of the last great indoor bastions of analog smoking, it's just not appropriate or professional to serve customers while smoking or vaping. And if you think a casino will miss a dime (or nickle, or cent!) because of a miss-perception of one of it's employees smoking while they're actually vaping, THINK AGAIN. They have worked hard to present a verified 4 Diamond AAA service rating, and a cocktail waitress serving you with a mod in her hand and vapor cloud spewing out of her maw doesn't really fit the business profile. Does it? I could stealth vape, but the precedent has been set; GET CAUGHT, GET FIRED! It's a cold fact of life (literately and figuratively), but one I will endure to feed my family. The upside is that I've converted 5 others from analogs to keep me company in the cold, and currently have one trying to supplement/cut down.
I am hoping its heading more down the road of bubble gum. Harmless but potentially unprofessional. Sin tax....well I think with ACA in effect there will be lots of new sin taxes established, nicotine use would be an obvious target.
I just got the email yesterday that we now have a tobacco free workplace. That is fine with me since I don't smoke anymore but upon further reading it bans e-cigarettes as well. This includes all sidewalks leading to the building.
I am going to go to the boss and ask why e-cigarettes are included in a tobacco free workplace initiative when it is not tobacco. This means that even if I go outside I cannot vape.
I am going to go to the boss and ask why e-cigarettes are included in a tobacco free workplace initiative when it is not tobacco. This means that even if I go outside I cannot vape.
You didn't replace one addiction for another. What you have done is continue self-medicating with nicotine, but you've found a way to do it that is cleaner, safer and less harmful for those around you.
It depends on where the vaping restriction originated. If it came from "home office" you are probably screwed. If it's a local decision and your manager has the final say, then a couple of points that I would make are ...
> Smoking is bad and I don't really like the idea of standing in the break area breathing smoke. I agree that smoking is bad. Give him some useful articles that cover the chemical aspects of vapor.
> If you let me, I can, over time, introduce a number of smokers to electronic cigarettes and they won't be sneaking out to smoke when you aren't looking. Productivity will rise. You just need to let them see me using my ecig indoors so that they begin to ask questions and learn about them.
> Educate your manager on the realistic comparisons of cigarette smoke vs ecig vapor. He will realize that vapor isn't going to harm bystanders.
You may not be successful, but education is key to understanding.
> Smoking is bad and I don't really like the idea of standing in the break area breathing smoke. I agree that smoking is bad. Give him some useful articles that cover the chemical aspects of vapor.
> If you let me, I can, over time, introduce a number of smokers to electronic cigarettes and they won't be sneaking out to smoke when you aren't looking. Productivity will rise. You just need to let them see me using my ecig indoors so that they begin to ask questions and learn about them.
> Educate your manager on the realistic comparisons of cigarette smoke vs ecig vapor. He will realize that vapor isn't going to harm bystanders.
You may not be successful, but education is key to understanding.
I'm a teacher at both the high school and university level and don't let the students know I vape in my offices or jobs because I like my position and am in good with admins at both places. I will vape if I'm walking through the quad. A couple college students have talked to me about switching. I'm going to talk with a large group next week at a scheduled meeting for students who smoke and want to quit. I will have some co-educators there, too, which will be fun. If the company has policy, don't rock the boat too hard.
Because most e-liquid contains nicotine from tobacco, it's considered a tobacco product, and it's easy to test for. If you've signed any statement saying you don't use "tobacco products" in order to buy health or life insurance cheaper, and you test positive for nicotine, you can possibly be fired, sued for fraud, and/or required to reimburse your insurance company or employer for expenses they've incurred on your behalf. At a minimum, you may incur the cost of a lawyer.
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I didn't think about that honestly but I do understand it. I don't care about vaping inside but I would like to not have to walk across the street and sit in my vehicle if I want to vape. Honestly I don't think that there is anything that I can do to reverse the decision but I would like to know why it was banned even when outside.
The delineation I've seen is Tobacco vs Nicotine. If they ask about nicotine, then you are a user. If they ask about tobacco, it's a grey area to me. My company asks about tobacco and I'm retired so they can't fire me. They can drop me from the plan if they choose to. Then, I'll have to deal with the ACA.
In order to sue me for expenses, they would need to prove that my medical issue only happens to smokers. Even lung cancer happens to people who don't smoke. It's not something I worry about. Smoking at work after declaring yourself to be tobacco free would be a dead giveaway. People who consume plants of the nightshade variety (tomatoes, potatoes, peppers, and eggplant) are technically nicotine users, although in much lower quantities.
It's all about whether your nicotine use falls above an accepted result on a cotinine blood test. Many vapers have vaped in the car before the draw and passed.
If you use a nicotine inhaler or nicorette lozenges to stop smoking, they are happy campers with your nic use. Why not allow the nic from an ecig to be legal? An inhaler give you a pretty large dose with each use.
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I agree 100% that it's cleaner, safer, and less harmful to those around me. But I respectfully disagree on the other statement. We can play semantics, call it a habit, whatever, but the truth is I vape much more than I smoked. And aren't all addicts "self-medicating" with one substance or another?
Now whether I'm actually addicted to vaping, I couldn't say unless I tried to quit. And I don't want to quit. I like it too much. Lol.
best regards, larry mac
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