VG Pipe Tobacco Essense

[Fenris4024]

Just gotta say Thanks to all who kept this thread up and running... some great info contained in it, and I will definitely be trying Kurt's method from the OP... I've always felt that there was something "missing" from the vaping experience, and I think this might just be that fix...

One quick question though, how's the scent of the vapor? does it give that awesome pipe tobacco aroma as well? I just don't want to be vaping something around the missus that actually smells like a burning analogue. Pipe tobacco scents should be alright though....

 

[Kurt]

It does give a faint pipe tobacco scent, but not burning tobacco, just like you opened the can of it. This also seems to improve with age of the essence.

 

[Fenris4024]

*grinning like an idiot*

Yes, in fact, it has a great scent, and the taste is outstanding... I used a one day crockpot method to make mine (good ol' captain black in VG- mostly because I knew how Capt was when I smoked), and I can't believe how awesome this stuff is.... Thank you guys so much for figuring this out and re-engineering the wheel, as it were.... Now to find a good peach flavored pipe tobacco!!!

I'm inclined to agree about getting some manner of the alkaloids out in the essence, because just vaping the VG without any nic juice added certainly had a pleasant effect....and I doubt it was the small tiny bit of nicotine that is possibly present in the PTE

 

[Jack Pappas]

Actually VG overheating is the problem not PG. PG has no breakdown products before reaching boiling point of ? 188 degrees c. VG boils at 290 c but begins to break down to acrelin at 280 c. I would think that one should never heat VG anywhere near to boiling.


GGTS, Provari , Reonaut, DIY wannabe chef

Which is why I shall heat it in a double boiler. I see no need to go over 212.


EXCELLENT thread. I have access to some whole leaf organic Burley's, Brights, and Canadian Virginia flue cured. As well as Honduran whole leaf and Yenidje Oriental. I may even order some Glauca which has an anabasine alkaloid instead of nicotine.

I have to add that I learned a hell of a lot more then just learning how to make a WTE in this thread.
This could be fun.

 

[Veezy]

Love this thread and I just gave this a go im currently letting it sit and I just got a few questions.
Its hard for me to get the vg boiling without it evaporating. as the pan heats up the vg starts to evaporate slowly so I found my self adding vg as it heats up gradually has anyone else experienced this?
and also I think I burned it because once I added the tobacco to the vg is started to smell like it was burning..but there were no visible bubbles in the vg so im not sure if it is burnt or not or if its even possible to burn it

also I went by your measurements kurt 2 tbsp to 30ml but I made 60ml and added 4 tbsp. but when I added it it sucked up all the vg and gave me a clump with minimal vg at the bottom of the pan. again is this normal?

 

[Koman]

Great thread guys.

 

[Kurt]

Love this thread and I just gave this a go im currently letting it sit and I just got a few questions.
Its hard for me to get the vg boiling without it evaporating. as the pan heats up the vg starts to evaporate slowly so I found my self adding vg as it heats up gradually has anyone else experienced this?
and also I think I burned it because once I added the tobacco to the vg is started to smell like it was burning..but there were no visible bubbles in the vg so im not sure if it is burnt or not or if its even possible to burn it

also I went by your measurements kurt 2 tbsp to 30ml but I made 60ml and added 4 tbsp. but when I added it it sucked up all the vg and gave me a clump with minimal vg at the bottom of the pan. again is this normal?

Sounds like the tobacco soaked up the VG. Maybe it was very dry? I don't know. I really only eye-balled the amounts, nothing rigorous. With yours it sounds like you need more VG. That should be fine. Mine never smelled burnt, but it did give off a bit of a caramel aroma.

And I did not heat it long enough to lose significant VG to evaporation. Bring to boil, let boil maybe 15 seconds, cool overnight, filter. That was it. I wanted fast and hot, not slow cooked. I don't do that, but it seems to be something people are using. Long cook seems like more plant material will be released. I wanted to quickly get out flavors, not make a tobacco stew.

By the way, I do not think TE is without tobacco toxins. I chose my method to minimize them, but I have not analyzed the resulting TE. I would think slow cooking would be similar in toxicity to chewing tobacco, much much less than smoking of course, but not entirely benign. There are some toxicity studies being done now that are looking at juices made from tobacco absolute, which is probably similar to a tobacco essence, component-wise.

 

[shlomsi]

Thanks a lot for this wonderful thread, I learned many things from it.
Never smoked a pipe, only cigarettes for 30 years... but always loved the aroma.

I just made my own extraction from Mac Baren's "7 Seas Regular Blend" (Air cured - Burley/Black Cavendish)
My slightly modified Kurt's extraction way:

80ml VG + 20ml PG , 6 full tablespoons of tobacco.
Heated the VG/PG in a small stainless steel coffee pot on the gas stove until vapors started (but before bubbling),
Took off the gas, adding the tobacco and stirring a little.
Covered the pot and let it stay overnight.

For straining:
I put boiling water in a bowl and put the pot inside just to make the liquid more manageable.
Strained 2 times through a small strainer (0.5mm holes).
Strained 2 more times with sterile Gauze pads. (mine said "17 threads / cm², 8 ply), I kept it folded as it is at 8 ply.

Result was very dark, very pleasant aroma liquid with no visible particles.
Going to let it steep a bit before trying it, and then I'll let you know what the results are

I have a question though, i was thinking that maybe it would be better to strain it more, Maybe to draw the liquid with a syringe, but only from the top and letting whatever has sunken in the bottom (after a few days of resting) stay there?

 

[FACE MEAT]

Syringing from the top couldn't hurt. Any substantial solids will have sunk to the bottom after a day or so.

 

[shlomsi]

Okey, Did more straining:

1. by squeezing the liquid through a plastic bottle with a small piece of #400 SS mesh (pressed between the bottle top and the tip).
2. coffee filter, twice. took about a full day to do 1 iteration, it's that slow...

Maybe an overkill, TBH did not notice any residue after either of those 2 strainings.

 

[puro]

I've settled on my currently favorite eliquid. I make it 10 ml at a time.

* 2 ml of flavorless 36 mg/ml nic base from wizardslab.
* 4 drops of Halo torque 156 (I can't vape this stuff straight as it's way too flavored, but 4 drops is perfect)
* 2 drops of Aurturo Fuente cigar NET that I made from Kurt's process
* 1 drop of Stanwell Melange pipe NET made from this process
* fill to 10ml with PG.

Sometimes I put a drop of LorAnn's peach in there too.

I vape it in a Zenesis Z2 Cinis.

This makes a excellent vape for me. Thanks for the NET recipe Kurt.

 

[Rlafontaine1971]

I've done multiple extractions over the last few months and have to say that the parameters outlined by Kurt provide results much better to my liking. Extending the time the liquid is heated or the amount of time that the tobacco stays in the liquid might get you a more thorough "tobacco" extraction but you'll have a lot more plant matter to deal with and a less desirable flavor as the end product. I'm not sure more heating cooks off the flavor or if the tobacco starts muting it but I haven't liked anything that I've made on extended extractions. Maybe we should start a thread rating the different tobaccos we've tried. The last few that I've done have been awesome.

 

[azzaman]

Thanks so much to Kurt and the rest of you. I am going to try it this week. I plan on using port royal Ryo tobacco. I just need to find a decent place to buy vg locally as I don't want to wait for delivery! I hope their is enough flavour extraction to use with just plain nic liquid.

 

[azzaman]

I also wanted to add, because of you Kurt I have a nice stockpile of nic liquid in my freezer. Your info is gold.

 

[Rlafontaine1971]

Thanks so much to Kurt and the rest of you. I am going to try it this week. I plan on using port royal Ryo tobacco. I just need to find a decent place to buy vg locally as I don't want to wait for delivery! I hope their is enough flavour extraction to use with just plain nic liquid.

As long as you like the taste of the Port Royal then you wont need to add any other flavors. Not sure what % will work for you though. I have a couple of batches that I add some too and a few that are perfect for me as is. Really depends on the tobacco more than anything.

 

[Rlafontaine1971]

Two of my favorite:



Tinned Tobacco: Sutliff Private Stock: Molto Dolce 1.5oz

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Molto Dolce 1.5oz





Tinned Tobacco: McClelland Tinned: CPCC: Caramel Rush 50g


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Velvety smooth, mellow and richly fragrant, this elegant, caramel flavored, mild aromatic pipe tobacco creates a satisfying island of quiet in a busy day.

 

[azzaman]

As long as you like the taste of the Port Royal then you wont need to add any other flavors. Not sure what % will work for you though. I have a couple of batches that I add some too and a few that are perfect for me as is. Really depends on the tobacco more than anything.

Thanks mate, I will have to play around with the nic to flavour ratios by the sounds of it. I'm looking forward to trying this out. I thought I'd start with a decent cheaper product to get down the extraction process, then move to a higher quality product like the ones you have posted.

 

[Rlafontaine1971]

Thanks mate, I will have to play around with the nic to flavour ratios by the sounds of it. I'm looking forward to trying this out. I thought I'd start with a decent cheaper product to get down the extraction process, then move to a higher quality product like the ones you have posted.

Not a problem bud, hope it works out for you. My first few attempts kinda sucked so don't get discouraged if you don't like the first batch. A couple of the ones that I've tried smelled great out of the tin but the flavors didn't transfer over so well. Some of the other ones taste exactly like they smell. I trolled around several different tobacco review forums for some input on the kind of tobacco/flavors that I was looking for. Those guys are almost as crazy as we are with the critiques!!!

 

[azzaman]

Was the extraction process the same? Did they develop stronger characteristics with steep time?

That's good to know, I guess I won't learn anything if I nail it first go. Although tobacco is expensive here, so I hope that it's at least good enough to vape.

 

[Vash]

Great thread ! Have extracted 4 different tobaccos now and love them.Once you try a NET the fake stuff is just no good IMO.