What IS the infatuation with "Massive Clouds" of "vapor"?? Is it necessary for enjoyment or a fad?

[ryanvapz0714]

I really don't mind huge clouds, I just cant stand these people making selfie videos of themselves blowing clouds and posting them on social media with stupid #clouds #vaporboss #socloudyinhereicantseethecpuscreentofinishwritingmyhastags

Thats where it just becomes ridiculous! And another thing that I guarantee will be the next headline in some local paper "local business burns down at biggest cloud contest!" Its definitely a very different vape scene lately and I just hope some of these new vapers realize this was created to help us quit smoking and not just some new fad!

 

[ScottP]

If I want a huge cloud of vapor am I going to kill the person beside me?

Depends on if you believe the ANTZ or not.

 

[Doug_xx2]

i'm not that far along in my journey into vaping so, i'm satisfied at this point
with my ego batts,vision ce4's,and iclear16 ce5's.i also have kr808d1 and,dse901 set ups
for stealthy vaping.
one day i want to get one of these. Innokin iTaste 134
not because i want 8 man hookah sized clouds of vape but,because i think it looks
really cool.

as for any one else i say live and let live.
lets not forget that those increasing the vaping envelope are the innovators
of the vaping community.
much of what is pretty much main stream now was developed by ordinary vapors(not vendors)
pushing the envelope,thinking outside the box,looking for that bigger,better,more satisfying experience.
this a lot like amateur radio.they developed many things including satellite communications,micro wave communications,
cell phone communications,etc...etc...
there experimenting led to many things we take for granted today.not the companies that
ultimately produced and sold the products.


regards
mike

That's because it looks like a light saber lol

 

[Ohms Lawbreaker]

Noob Sub-Ohm Vaper's Anthem:

I've looked at clouds from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It's cloud illusions I recall
I really don't know clouds at all

 

[kecast]

I'm a bit of a noob myself, but I look at it like this: Some people buy a car, and they are content with that car in its natural state. They don't need to modify it to be fast, and those people don't care if their car roars like a drag racer on a strip. Others like to supe up their vehicles, making them faster, "better". It's really all pointless, unless you're a racer yourself, because you can't go 110 miles per hour on the highway, unless you want to potentially kill someone and risk getting a pretty hefty fine. But it's not really for that, anyway; it's simply to show off. It's about cracking open a beer with your buddies and bragging about all the work you've put into it.

As for me, I'm content with my EVOD for now, and blowing huge clouds doesn't make much of a difference to my vaping experience.

 

[BillyWJ]

I'm sure everyone agrees beyond a certain point that is true. But you can't really objectively say where that point is.

Am I a show off because I like the KFL+?

Bearing in mind I only use it at home, and there's a fairly strong consensus that it 'produces clouds' compared to most basic setups, and also tastes wonderful...

Rant on:

But you're not one of "them". You know who I'm talking about. The guys who's "Get a Kayfun, otherwise you have a piss poor vape" is an answer to everyone, the guys who tell newbies to get a KayFun, but take NO responsibility to explain what it is, how it works, and what's required to run one. The guys who sneer at anyone not using one, as everything else is "substandard" and can't possibly have the Skittles Pooping Unicorn of Ultimate Flavor that a KayFun produces.

I found myself leaning away from getting one, because the of what the KayFun crowd has come to represent to me. It's probably a great topper, but I associate it now with...well, that kind of talk will get me banned. I even stopped posting much, because every time I see a "Kayfun or go home" post, i want to use the KayFun to rip their eyeballs out.

A KayFun is an OPTION, but too many run around here talking like it's the only option. I have a RDA. I've even wrapped a sub ohm coil now. You know what? It's fun, but it's not for me, not all day. How many people will be badgered into buying one, and find out they don't like it? It's a pretty heavy duty hit, no matter how you coil it.

Rant off. I'm over it, and I'll just sit here with my substandard piss poor carto tanks and my wasteland of no flavor. Next year it will be something else, I'm sure.

 

[tonyorion]

What is the infatuation with worrying about what other vapers do with their time and money? Does it really bother people that there are cloud chasers out there enough to start a thread about it? Some people like a huge cloud, others are concerned with TH, others are concerned with flavor. I could ask the same question about people fascinated with TH. Why is that so important? Smoking gave a throat hit, but we started vaping to stop smoking, so why simulate it so closely?

To each their own. I have many more important things to concern myself with than why vapers choose to vape the way they do.

It does concern me as an ex-smoker who is going on 4 years because sub-ohm vaping in conjunction with its popularity with minors is the biggest threat to my tobacco free existence without restrictive legislation on my supplies of "stuff".

That combination is really pissing off the non vaping majority who first may have viewed vaping as a mild annoyance and now look at it as a major one because too many vapers (both adults and minors) are inconsiderate of others, a serious addiction threat for their kids, and now a clear and present danger to their safety.

The only way to get those clouds is by pushing the limits, only now you have cloud chasers out there with poor technical skills and inferior equipment. It does not take many ugly incidents to fill the press with horror stories.

Are you so blind as to not see the wave of draconian anti-vaping legislation being proposed? California banning internet sales of ecig products, Utah shutting down B&M's, RI imposing an 80% tax..............to name but a few. There is certainly a financial motivation on the part of big pharma and tobacco to have a severely regulated ecig world, but they don't have to put much effort into getting restrictive legislation passed. The vaping community is doing its negative PR work for them.

You had better be concerned.

 

[Southern Tina]

I don't get it either, for me it's Nic hit, TH, then flavor, I like to see just enough vapor to fill the psychological need to believe I'm smoking.

Just because it's not for me doesn't mean it's wrong. To each their own. I like strawberry ice cream others like chocolate, doesn't mean chocolate is bad.

I don't get it either. My goal is exactly what you said. but I'd lose for sure in a cloud contest.

 

[Southern Tina]

In fact I do the complete opposite at work. I stealth vape. I don't want to draw attention anywhere.

 

[Southern Tina]

What is the infatuation with worrying about what other vapers do with their time and money? Does it really bother people that there are cloud chasers out there enough to start a thread about it? Some people like a huge cloud, others are concerned with TH, others are concerned with flavor. I could ask the same question about people fascinated with TH. Why is that so important? Smoking gave a throat hit, but we started vaping to stop smoking, so why simulate it so closely?

To each their own. I have many more important things to concern myself with than why vapers choose to vape the way they do.

Well, not everyone smoked. I never did. I got addicted to those expensive nic mints so I enjoy the TH with vaping.

Also, to each their own. Vape how you want to. I personally could care less what people are after when they vape. Clouds? Fine. Flavor? Fine TH? Fine. Nic level? Fine.

Bottom line = live and let live. That is all.

 

[H. Hodges]

IMHO, There is a time and a place for every vaperer to enjoy his/her type and size of cloud that satisfies them. As long as it's not in the toy department of Walmart, an operating room, or the table next to me while I'm spending the precious few dollars I have to treat my family to the rare meal out. I VAPE, A LOT, and still maintain this opinion!

However, I like blowing clouds, no matter the shape or size, from all my devices, and for many different reasons as my needs/moods/or even wants change throughout the day. There are always going to be those that want the notoriety of the "biggest" or "best" in anything. And they can have the distinction; I neither need or want the notoriety. I can empathize with the want of a better vaping experience and chasing after it. And, I think the need/want of a better vaping experience has driven the hobbyist/showmanship of the cloud chasing aspect of vaping. Most of us can remember the days of sub-par devices with little vapor and a sub-par experience. And, we thought they were great because they got us off analogs. The better the devices became, the better vapor they produced.

However, as vaping technology has improved to better meet the demands of the community, bigger denser clouds have been a by-product of the increased efficiency of the improved devices/methodology. There is, in my personal experience, a point where a denser could may not be more satisfying than the last one, but that point is extremely subjective. It's not only subjective to individuals within the community, but to each device, topper, coil configuration, and e-liquid for a single person.

So, IMHO, it's not the fact that people chase clouds that is the problem. It's the way that they present themselves while in public that could pose the potential for problems. While on a sidewalk/outside, blow the biggest cloud you want, if that makes you happy. But once one steps onto someone else's property, whether a business's or private property, a certain amount of decorum should be maintained until one can be absolutely positive it won't reflect negatively on themselves and the vaping community as a whole. If we chose to vape instead of smoking, we are intentionally taking responsibility for our own health, but we are also unintentionally taking responsibility in insuring that we promote vaping in a positive manner so that we can continue to vape for our health. It's a vicious circle, but we as vaporers intentionally insert/subjugate ourselves within it when we chose to vape. We all share the burden of promoting vaping as a viable harm reduction, because we KNOW that it is.

 

[pcrdude]

I guess I'm a total vaping loser, since my everyday carry is a 450 mAh eGo mini and an EVOD with a 2.5 ohm coil and 50/50 liquid.

Funny though, I get nice visible vapor, great taste, and I haven't had a cigarette for > 1 yr. I have mods, and other stuff, but mainly play with those at home.

In an airport, I will stealth vape, just so no one gets twisted underpants, but at least I can vape there.

If you want to chase clouds, more power to ya.

Why did I even post this?????

In the voice of Rosanne Rosanna Danna....

Never mind

BTW, if you get the reference, you may get a free chuckle....

 

[Rossum]

Rant on:

But you're not one of "them". You know who I'm talking about. The guys who's "Get a Kayfun, otherwise you have a piss poor vape" is an answer to everyone, the guys who tell newbies to get a KayFun, but take NO responsibility to explain what it is, how it works, and what's required to run one. The guys who sneer at anyone not using one, as everything else is "substandard" and can't possibly have the Skittles Pooping Unicorn of Ultimate Flavor that a KayFun produces.

I found myself leaning away from getting one, because the of what the KayFun crowd has come to represent to me. It's probably a great topper, but I associate it now with...well, that kind of talk will get me banned. I even stopped posting much, because every time I see a "Kayfun or go home" post, i want to use the KayFun to rip their eyeballs out.

A KayFun is an OPTION, but too many run around here talking like it's the only option. I have a RDA. I've even wrapped a sub ohm coil now. You know what? It's fun, but it's not for me, not all day. How many people will be badgered into buying one, and find out they don't like it? It's a pretty heavy duty hit, no matter how you coil it.

Rant off. I'm over it, and I'll just sit here with my substandard piss poor carto tanks and my wasteland of no flavor. Next year it will be something else, I'm sure.

Interesting. I've seen this more with the Provari owners than Kayfun owners. Both are fine devices, but I'll let everyone in on a little secret: You can get very good results from a multitude of other devices as well, particularly if you lean the ins and outs of those devices.

 

[Steam Turbine]

To me blowing huge clouds is not really a problem, whether it's to be able to get a satisfying vape at 0 nic or simply to have a pissing contest with your buddies, the real problem is safety.

If you can build a safe 0.3 ohm quad-coil cloud machine by doing your homework, using the proper batteries, charger and all that good stuff, more power to you.

The problem is to many people want to jump before learning how to crawl.

Blowing clouds is fun, so is shooting a M16, you just need to understand the dangers and know how to avoid accidents.

PS: The kayfun is a kickass atomizer, but I don't think it's a cloud machine.

 

[kslice917]

For me, it's not about the cloud I get. It's not even about how much of a vape I get on each puff overall. For me, it's all about how many puffs I get and what it taste like. The reason is simple: Taking deep breaths relaxes me, and vaping causing me to do just that! I'm using a Kanger Aero Tank with an eGo V2 Mega @ 4.2v ~ 2.0 ohm coils. I don't get nearly as much of a cloud as some of these review videos, but I do get a great taste with a nice big breath.

I did read somewhere that the more of a vapor cloud you get, the more flavor you'll taste. This does seem to hold true for me for the most part - but there is a limit. Once that limit is reached, the juice gets burnt. To be honest, I'm perfectly happy vaping my small clouds without the chance of a burnt taste. Sure, blowing O-rings is fun/cool and all - but really, that's not why I vape.

 

[H. Hodges]

........

If you want to chase clouds, more power to ya.

Why did I even post this?????

In the voice of Rosanne Rosanna Danna....

Never mind

BTW, if you get the reference, you may get a free chuckle....

Any device that works for you, and any style of vaping that works also, is the best device to have/use. A 450mAh eGo is just as good as my Vamo, M-16/Trident, or someone else's (dare I say) Provari, for that matter, if that's what does it for ya. Nobody can tell you different. There's something for everyone's tastes and desires.

But, man I miss Gilda! Thanks for that blast from the past!

Sent from my KFTHWI using Tapatalk

 

[VapieDan]

What IS the infatuation with "Massive Clouds" of "vapor"? Why do folks seek these billowing 'clouds'?? Does it mean, "my gazillion buck and over-reworked atomizer is REALLY WORKIN'? Does it mean the 'juice' has more flavor because "my cloud" is bigger than the one Jim Bob gets? Why continually seek a "bigger cloud" - I don't get it at all.

Even if I don't add more 'VG' I get a 'cloud' that is far FAR greater than ANY "real cigarette". I never looked at my "real cigarette" and griped that it didn't dispense 'smoke' I could cut with a butter knife. I 'puffed' - it 'smoked' and I repeated the process.

Recommendations to the "new folks" always seem to at some point head towards, "get a XYZ and add a ABC" and you'll get 'CLOUDS' like you have never seen .... or something along this line. It's almost as the new folks are being told they have a poor setup or the one they are considering is inferior because of the "cloud" being ever so 'poor'. They begin searching for something they don't understand. They buy bottle after bottle of 'juice' and think they once again were taken for a ride by the vendor. "Not enough of a cloud!"

The Ya'll Tube big-shots ... the "professional vapers" ... they push the same thing. "I am not satisfied. The 'vape' is poor -- the 'taste' is weak. NOW I'll take a long long long 'hit' off my Cloudmaster and WATCH the difference!" Then - they suck their cheeks in in such a concave fashion their eyes follow along. They 'suck' far more and deeper than they ever would a 'real cigarette' and given the appearance that "THERE - FINALLY I am satisfied!" But they never are ......... they grab yet another 'rig' and belittle it.

CLOUDS ........... really?

Senile Old Man Don ..........

Yup don't get it either. Cool flavor is my bag

 

[Bunnykiller]

The difference there is the guy on the motorcycle could kill other people doing it. If I want a huge cloud of vapor am I going to kill the person beside me?

Who needs a loud exhaust on a Civic? Who needs a brand name purse? Who needs 26" rims on an Olds Cutlass? Who needs huge clouds of vapor? Who needs $200+ mods/attys? Who needs gourmet liquid?

The answer to all of those is "The person that has or wants it." If I want to blow huge clouds on my sofa am I bothering you?

not while on the sofa but in the car and it obstructs your view while driving yes...

 

[xanderxman]

It does concern me as an ex-smoker who is going on 4 years because sub-ohm vaping in conjunction with its popularity with minors is the biggest threat to my tobacco free existence without restrictive legislation on my supplies of "stuff".

That combination is really pissing off the non vaping majority who first may have viewed vaping as a mild annoyance and now look at it as a major one because too many vapers (both adults and minors) are inconsiderate of others, a serious addiction threat for their kids, and now a clear and present danger to their safety.

The only way to get those clouds is by pushing the limits, only now you have cloud chasers out there with poor technical skills and inferior equipment. It does not take many ugly incidents to fill the press with horror stories.

Are you so blind as to not see the wave of draconian anti-vaping legislation being proposed? California banning internet sales of ecig products, Utah shutting down B&M's, RI imposing an 80% tax..............to name but a few. There is certainly a financial motivation on the part of big pharma and tobacco to have a severely regulated ecig world, but they don't have to put much effort into getting restrictive legislation passed. The vaping community is doing its negative PR work for them.

You had better be concerned.

This occurs in a multitude of sub-cultures. The fools and their turbo-charged, slammed imports street racing illegally. Gun owners leaving them in reach of children who cause serious damage with them. Parents who think an Xbox is a baby sitter.

The only reason for the backlash on vaping is the loss of revenue for those in power, plain and simple. It does not matter whether people vaping sub-ohm do so in a movie theater or at home. The bans are coming regardless. The people in charge of our lives are losing too much money by allowing vaping to stand. No amount of vaping responsibly will change that. If we want real change we need to get rid of the crooked, idiot, money hungry politicians that run our lives. But that will never happen because they keep us fighting amongst ourselves and too distracted to mount anything remotely resembling a movement for truth.

 

[twgbonehead]

For me, the 2 issues are "lung hit" and flavor. I don't care about throat hit (don't actually like throat hit), but for me, I want my PV to feel like a cigarette, and the one thing that was missing was the feeling in my lungs that I was breathing in something other than air.

This was especially a problem with the early cigalikes, which were so bad that often you really WERE only breathing in air. But even now, I can tell when the head isn't making contact, because it doesn't FEEL right. I vape high-VG (at some expense of flavor) for exactly that reason (and I want to see vapor on the exhale for that same psychological reason).

Having said that, I'm not even close to a cloud chaser. The current generation of gear works just fine (although still looking to enhance flavors, which just always seem a bit faint to me).