What's your favorite cartridge filler?
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I'm with you on this edlogic!The good Dr. showed me the way too!
I've heard and read all the PET arguments, (and still observe the carts closely at fills, refills & top ups) ... but consider it an acceptable risk for me, considering all visual evidence that my own eyes have seen, taste that I have personally experienced and draw and vapor that I feel is the way our PV's were meant to vape... like a dream.
To each their own though!
Anyway.. I'm all for a Video Review of the Pyramid Tea Bags! Can't Wait!
i like the way the nylon pyramid tea bags vape but i did find a problem that it is easy to get too much juice in them and they run a lot of juice into the atomizer and sometimes flood it or even leak out of the ecig
i topped off my 901 and put it in a little carrying case and when i opened it - i found that the juice leaked out of the ecig into the padding of the case
that makes me think that one square 1 inch by 1 inch might not be dense enough to hold the juice in place in the cart and you have to be careful to not fill the cart all the way with juice unless you plan to vape a bunch of it right away
next i will try using the whole tea bag - 2 inch by 1 inch and fold it up
i found that rolling it is hard to do and it is hard to get it to the right size - it seems ok for the 901 but the 510 cart is narrower and to me it is easier to fold the tea bag to the right width instead of rolling it
btw - i know how to roll - i have been rolling for over 30 years - but paper is a lot easier to roll than slippery nylon
after i try the whole tea bag in one cart and see how it holds the juice - i will post back about how it works
right now i would suggest only use the triangle nylon tea bag when you are stationary and able to watch out for leaks
i would not top off a cart with it and try to carry it anywhere again until i figure how to insure that it will hold all the juice put in it
My idea of a good cartridge material is something that will initially hold as much liquid as possible. I don't want to top off, I don't have any intention of re-using the material, I just want it to be quick and painless.
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
I filled my first cartridge today with poly-fil from Michaels. I watched the video but couldnt get it to go right so I just took a small amount and pushed it into my cart, then added a little more on top and WOW it is great. I am using a 510, and now I know it works without all the fancy cutting, I will renew all of mine.
i tried it on my 510 and 901
i think it works better to use the whole nylon pyramid triangle tea bag
edlogic and other connoisseurs of the PTB you need to check this one out!
Great PTB video here:
YouTube - Lipton Pyramid Tea Bag Cartridge Filler for E-cig DSE 901
(I do the PTB method for my 510 carts in a very similar way to this video.)
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Okay, I've been doing some more testing the waters with my VX2 and here's what I've found.
As far as stuffing carts, I think it's good to have a backup plan aside from buying them, however all of Shawn's carts (LiteCigUSA) are quite inexpensive AND they seem to last considerably well for the very low price. My recommendation is to simply have them on hand, but backup stuffing materials and plans are not a bad idea either. The characteristics that seem to make "home-stuffed" carts perform well are pretty simple. The stuffing material has to be very absorbent, yet packed relatively loosely for good fluid flow and airflow. The cart stuffing has to act like a sponge that is in the "relaxed" position, giving it maximum fluid capacity. Keep in mind that the stuffing MUST FILL the cart enough to retain the juice AND carry/wick juice to the atomizer. It's OK to have the whole evenly trimmed stuffing sticking out of the cart a bit (although I DO NOT PREFER THIS), BUT there should be NO LONG STRAY FUZZIES protruding excessively above the evenly trimmed top of the stuffing.
The $5 ROLL of “FAIRFIELD POLY-FIL traditional batting” I got at WalMart works extremely well and will make SEVERAL THOUSAND EXCELLENT PERFORMING CART STUFFINGS for the original VX2 carts. This stuff is less than 1/8” thick and comes in a nice 12” wide roll….although the bag says “Crib size, 45" x 60".
Preparing the poly-fil batting for cart stuffing:
First off, the long fuzzies MUST be trimmed off before filling any cart with juice. Unless you actually like to taste the long stray fibers burning on the atomizer, there is just no way around it; but I’ve found 3 methods of doing it. Since I presently don't have scissors sharp enough LOL to trim it nicely AFTER stuffing the cart (which is tricky to do even with sharp scissors), I have come up with TWO other easy methods of trimming the fuzz. One is done AFTER stuffing the cart and it’s very simple….just run the “invisible” portion of a micro-torch flame rapidly across the top of the cart 2-3 times. This burns all the stray fibers away without doing any damage to the cart or stuffing. I will reiterate….the key here is RAPID MOVEMENT of the INVISIBLE portion of the flame across the top of the cart. This method works very well and can be done very rapidly. The 2nd method is done just before stuffing the cart. The poly-fil roll is 12” wide, so each 28mm x 12” strip you cut off will make TEN cart stuffings. Use scissors (or steel ruler & razor on a hard flat surface) to cut a 28mm X 12” strip of batting off the 12” wide roll. Going slightly bigger than 28mm is ok, but if you go too much bigger, you will overstuff the cart, which will give you flow problems and you will NEED the straw modification for sure. Now cut the 12” strip into 10 small pieces, each 23mm x 28mm. Grab one of the 23mm x 28mm pieces and roll it up (not too tightly) so that you have a 23mm long ROLL. Now GENTLY pinch it closed with your thumb & forefinger, about 3-4mm from one end of the roll (this will be the end that comes into contact with your atomizer). Keep the roll pinched and make one straight, swift scissor cut about 2-3mm from the end (very close to your thumb & forefinger). The roll should now be about 20mm long. Carefully pinch the roll with a pair of tweezers and insert it into the cart. There is a technique to this, but you'll figure that out by doing it a few times. IF you were careful while inserting the roll, you should have very minimal (if any) fuzzies sticking out. At this point, I pull out my miniature soldering torch and rapidly move across the top and NOTHING does a better job of trimming off ALL the stray fibers. I juice mine with a syringe & needle, so that it saturates COMPLETELY from the bottom up. Soak the whole cart, but not enough to make the juice pool excessively at the top. Place the cart in a mouthpiece and let it sit on a bench top for a few minutes before inserting into atomizer. This works very nicely for me. If you initially use a syringe & needle to fill the cart from the bottom up, you should be able to get quite a few eyedropper refills/top-offs, with no trouble at all. Don't let the cart get too dry before topping it off with an eyedropper bottle! Letting it get too dry before topping it off will definitely shorten the useful lifetime of the stuffing.
As far as stuffing carts, I think it's good to have a backup plan aside from buying them, however all of Shawn's carts (LiteCigUSA) are quite inexpensive AND they seem to last considerably well for the very low price. My recommendation is to simply have them on hand, but backup stuffing materials and plans are not a bad idea either. The characteristics that seem to make "home-stuffed" carts perform well are pretty simple. The stuffing material has to be very absorbent, yet packed relatively loosely for good fluid flow and airflow. The cart stuffing has to act like a sponge that is in the "relaxed" position, giving it maximum fluid capacity. Keep in mind that the stuffing MUST FILL the cart enough to retain the juice AND carry/wick juice to the atomizer. It's OK to have the whole evenly trimmed stuffing sticking out of the cart a bit (although I DO NOT PREFER THIS), BUT there should be NO LONG STRAY FUZZIES protruding excessively above the evenly trimmed top of the stuffing.
The $5 ROLL of “FAIRFIELD POLY-FIL traditional batting” I got at WalMart works extremely well and will make SEVERAL THOUSAND EXCELLENT PERFORMING CART STUFFINGS for the original VX2 carts. This stuff is less than 1/8” thick and comes in a nice 12” wide roll….although the bag says “Crib size, 45" x 60".
Preparing the poly-fil batting for cart stuffing:
First off, the long fuzzies MUST be trimmed off before filling any cart with juice. Unless you actually like to taste the long stray fibers burning on the atomizer, there is just no way around it; but I’ve found 3 methods of doing it. Since I presently don't have scissors sharp enough LOL to trim it nicely AFTER stuffing the cart (which is tricky to do even with sharp scissors), I have come up with TWO other easy methods of trimming the fuzz. One is done AFTER stuffing the cart and it’s very simple….just run the “invisible” portion of a micro-torch flame rapidly across the top of the cart 2-3 times. This burns all the stray fibers away without doing any damage to the cart or stuffing. I will reiterate….the key here is RAPID MOVEMENT of the INVISIBLE portion of the flame across the top of the cart. This method works very well and can be done very rapidly. The 2nd method is done just before stuffing the cart. The poly-fil roll is 12” wide, so each 28mm x 12” strip you cut off will make TEN cart stuffings. Use scissors (or steel ruler & razor on a hard flat surface) to cut a 28mm X 12” strip of batting off the 12” wide roll. Going slightly bigger than 28mm is ok, but if you go too much bigger, you will overstuff the cart, which will give you flow problems and you will NEED the straw modification for sure. Now cut the 12” strip into 10 small pieces, each 23mm x 28mm. Grab one of the 23mm x 28mm pieces and roll it up (not too tightly) so that you have a 23mm long ROLL. Now GENTLY pinch it closed with your thumb & forefinger, about 3-4mm from one end of the roll (this will be the end that comes into contact with your atomizer). Keep the roll pinched and make one straight, swift scissor cut about 2-3mm from the end (very close to your thumb & forefinger). The roll should now be about 20mm long. Carefully pinch the roll with a pair of tweezers and insert it into the cart. There is a technique to this, but you'll figure that out by doing it a few times. IF you were careful while inserting the roll, you should have very minimal (if any) fuzzies sticking out. At this point, I pull out my miniature soldering torch and rapidly move across the top and NOTHING does a better job of trimming off ALL the stray fibers. I juice mine with a syringe & needle, so that it saturates COMPLETELY from the bottom up. Soak the whole cart, but not enough to make the juice pool excessively at the top. Place the cart in a mouthpiece and let it sit on a bench top for a few minutes before inserting into atomizer. This works very nicely for me. If you initially use a syringe & needle to fill the cart from the bottom up, you should be able to get quite a few eyedropper refills/top-offs, with no trouble at all. Don't let the cart get too dry before topping it off with an eyedropper bottle! Letting it get too dry before topping it off will definitely shorten the useful lifetime of the stuffing.
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Found something new today. Cut little fillers from an unused Shamwow .. Holds lots of juice.
edlogic and other connoisseurs of the PTB you need to check this one out!
Great PTB video here:
(I do the PTB method for my 510 carts in a very similar way to this video.)
i do it just about the same - but i just tear the seams apart and i fold it instead of rolling it
it works very well
Ok i will try the sham wow.
I had excluded it from trying because it would be too absorbent and reluctant to distribute liquid.
I did find something today which is better than the net product i had posted earlier this week. (although the new works really well).
In the walmart textile section there is a special batting textile i found. (crib HL batting)
It looks like polyfill but works much better.
Walmart sells low loft, high loft poly fills in bags.
These are no good.
I mean they work ok ...but merely ok.
Try the following to see why they do not work that well.
Grab either poly fill and add a few drops of water on the surface.
You will see that both of these walmart poly fills are quite hydrophobic.
To a certain extent they repel water.
This is why the straw mod exists, to aid in filling the cart with all these polyfill materials.
Now, if you go to the textile section you will see large fabric rolls , and there is a white textile that looks identical to poly fill but for CRIBS.
It's the perfect thickness textile and can be rolled to fill the carts.
Now add a drop of water onto this polyfill type and you will see the water get absorbed immediately.
I think this stuff is used for Baby Cribs...its softer, and affords more airflow, and is not water repelent...
So if any of you guys have been using the normal poly fill ...try this stuff.
I had excluded it from trying because it would be too absorbent and reluctant to distribute liquid.
I did find something today which is better than the net product i had posted earlier this week. (although the new works really well).
In the walmart textile section there is a special batting textile i found. (crib HL batting)
It looks like polyfill but works much better.
Walmart sells low loft, high loft poly fills in bags.
These are no good.
I mean they work ok ...but merely ok.
Try the following to see why they do not work that well.
Grab either poly fill and add a few drops of water on the surface.
You will see that both of these walmart poly fills are quite hydrophobic.
To a certain extent they repel water.
This is why the straw mod exists, to aid in filling the cart with all these polyfill materials.
Now, if you go to the textile section you will see large fabric rolls , and there is a white textile that looks identical to poly fill but for CRIBS.
It's the perfect thickness textile and can be rolled to fill the carts.
Now add a drop of water onto this polyfill type and you will see the water get absorbed immediately.
I think this stuff is used for Baby Cribs...its softer, and affords more airflow, and is not water repelent...
So if any of you guys have been using the normal poly fill ...try this stuff.
I'm a folder too!
(Had to after my stroke my right hand shakes when I use it anymore!) lol I'll try about anything once quovadis! I will be anxious to see how it stacks up against PTB's. Thanks for the tip!
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I use poly fill which is what Fluval is made of (Fluval is easier to use, possibly better). I use about 80 to 85% of what a new cart contains and get excellent results.
If you use too little, juice may run out. If you use too much it won't wick as well. When you use it a while you find just the right amount. There really isn't anything that works better in my experience.
I just and I mean just bought the FluVal and love it. I can finally drain a cart. No mess and it pushes against the atty where the original filler gets shaped by the atty and stops making contact.
Thanks so much for the info. Again you guys are great.
Yosam
Thanks so much for the info. Again you guys are great.
Yosam
WHICH version of fluval did U buy? What does it say on the box? How many pieces were in the box and of what dimension? I tried something from my local PETCO store from fluval that did not work out so well. It was not really white in color.....it was more less "OFF WHITE". It has pretty large pores and seems like a synthetic "plastic-like" material that is not soft like Poly-Fil or cotton. I have found that ALL types of Poly-Fil work very well IF PROPERLY STUFFED/PACKED into the cart. It won't work well if/when excessively compressed but it can't be too loose either. There is a bit of an art to stuffing carts correctly and that changes when you change the type or style of cart stuffing material.
I have found that ALL types of Poly-Fil work very well IF PROPERLY STUFFED/PACKED into the cart. It won't work well if/when excessively compressed but it can't be too loose either. There is a bit of an art to stuffing carts correctly and that changes when you change the type or style of cart stuffing material. Varied material density means you must vary how much to stuff the cart with. The plain 16 Ounce bag of Poly-Fil works EXTREMELY WELL in my large DSE601 carts. The rolls of it made for baby cribs don't work nearly as well with my DSE601. The crib type poly-Fil must be carefully used. If you try to stuff too much into a cart, it will not wick very well at all. Cart stuffing can be a bit tricky, especially if you don't try stuffing at various compression levels. EACH STUFFING MATERIAL YOU TRY must be tested at various compression levels (or volume-per stuffing) in order to give each newly tested material a fair chance. Also, there are all different sizes of carts. There are attys that burn hotter than others. Not all the PV device components are created equally! What works great for one PV device may not be so geat for another.
Ive tried the pyramid tea bag fillers, and they work alright.
Maybe Im doing them wrong though.
do you use a whole bag for a cartridge, and roll it loose. IT seems rolling it tight and packing it tight doesnt work as well.
The best thing is really the empty carts. I generally can get a week out of each cart.
But, nothing beats a fresh new empty just gets a better taste it seems.
Has anyone tried vaping without a filler, right off of the atomizer yet.
if so let me know
Thanks.
Maybe Im doing them wrong though.
do you use a whole bag for a cartridge, and roll it loose. IT seems rolling it tight and packing it tight doesnt work as well.
The best thing is really the empty carts. I generally can get a week out of each cart.
But, nothing beats a fresh new empty just gets a better taste it seems.
Has anyone tried vaping without a filler, right off of the atomizer yet.
if so let me know
Thanks.
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