Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?

[stevegmu]

never said you didnt, i'm still going to buy clones because they are there and i can buy them. whether you like it or not doesnt matter to me. not going to try to change your mind because i can understand where your coming from, some people just cant see it the other way around.

It really doesn't make a bit of difference to me; the justification some have for buying counterfeits is what I find interesting...

 

[USMCotaku]

Maybe you constantly need to buy more and try more because they don't function quite like ones which are precisely milled. From what I have seen, airflow and pressure have a lot to do with how attys work...

By that logic, even authentic owners should only have one mod.....illogical argument. We all search for our personal vape nirvana, which is different for each of us. Not to mention we want different vapes at different times. I found my nirvana with my sub tanks on my ZNA50 (clone, no logos), but sometimes I just wanna drip on a nice low sub ohm build... Which I have my panzer for.
It's a journey. Would I have my Hana clone if I'd gotten the zna first? No, but the zna wasn't out then, authentic or clone. Does that mean my Hana clone doesn't work well? No, it's a great device, just wasn't my personal vape nirvana, but it still gets used.

 

[smokinGAVIN]

I have never seen a Hana clone. Out of curiosity, what chip does the Hana clone use?

 

[alicewonderland]

It really doesn't make a bit of difference to me; the justification some have for buying counterfeits is what I find interesting...

well, if you feel like giving me 400$ so i can buy 4 authentics at once to try/mess around with for the next couple of weeks i wouldnt complain. otherwise its off to the clonies for me. If i was rich I would still have the same amount of gear, just more authentics. Just because im buying a lot of stuff for cheap, doesnt mean i wouldnt be buying a lot of stuff at a higher price if I had more money, so i dont get your whole 'so its just for collecting' argument.

i started vaping when it was just 510s and 306 attys or cartomizers on unregulated mods. We just had to keep trying everything new that came out because we wanted something better. It is no different today. Stuff comes out back to back and if you want to keep trying every newest thing you would have to be rich or misplace your priorities, and I for one would rather live under a house and have groceries AND try new things, rather than not having money for food or neccessities and buying authentic everything.

 

[USMCotaku]

I have never seen a Hana clone. Out of curiosity, what chip does the Hana clone use?

Depends on the maker.... Mine has a cloupor 30 watt DNA style chip

 

[Shadav]

Perhaps quitting altogether would be the best option and save the most money...

working my way towards that...went from vaping over 36mg down to 6mg now....but while i'm still "in the whole" from what i would have spent on smoking...that was all just intial start up costs...mods/tanks/diy for juice.....soon i'll actually even out then start being in the "gain" from not smoking....
but I gotta have my nic as i've told me kids it keeps me from killing you makes mommy a bit happier of a person

my question to you (and others) though is....why does it bother you that people buy clones?
yes I understand counterfeits, but clones?
You want to buy authentics, hey good for you, whatever floats your boat.....
i mean were you so upset about people buying store brand cigarettes or ryo instead of Philip Morris or RJ Reynolds?

 

[alicewonderland]

im not in it to save money, im not in it to spend alot of money, I am just making my money go far, Im going to vape long as its legal just like i am going to order cheaper stuff as long as its legal. If it was against the law to buy these clones or if i was breaking some type of rule to get me arrested then yes i would just buy authentics.

I see no cops at my door.

 

[stevegmu]

well, if you feel like giving me 400$ so i can buy 4 authentics at once to try/mess around with for the next couple of weeks i wouldnt complain. otherwise its off to the clonies for me. If i was rich I would still have the same amount of gear, just more authentics. Just because im buying a lot of stuff for cheap, doesnt mean i wouldnt be buying a lot of stuff at a higher price if I had more money, so i dont get your whole 'so its just for collecting' argument.

i started vaping when it was just 510s and 306 attys or cartomizers on unregulated mods. We just had to keep trying everything new that came out because we wanted something better. It is no different today. Stuff comes out back to back and if you want to keep trying every newest thing you would have to be rich or misplace your priorities, and I for one would rather live under a house and have groceries AND try new things, rather than not having money for food or neccessities and buying authentic everything.

I save money for the luxuries I buy, but I know that is unheard of in our society...

 

[stevegmu]

working my way towards that...went from vaping over 36mg down to 6mg now....but while i'm still "in the whole" from what i would have spent on smoking...that was all just intial start up costs...mods/tanks/diy for juice.....soon i'll actually even out then start being in the "gain" from not smoking....
but I gotta have my nic as i've told me kids it keeps me from killing you makes mommy a bit happier of a person

my question to you (and others) though is....why does it bother you that people buy clones?
yes I understand counterfeits, but clones?
You want to buy authentics, hey good for you, whatever floats your boat.....
i mean were you so upset about people buying store brand cigarettes or ryo instead of Philip Morris or RJ Reynolds?

It doesn't bother me one bit; as I said, I find the justifications for buying counterfeits interesting. I believe I answered the OP's question in my first reply, "people are cheap..."

 

[Shadav]

yes yes we are
we want it all and we want it now! But wanna pinch 'em pennies
you wanna talk bout cheap try working in a gas station

 

[Darryl Licht]

...I mainly use, the Cigreen X I bought a while back, and isnt exactly a clone or counterfeit, it was released only when the mutation X v1 was out, but had upgrades/changes over the v1 by indulgence like widebore topcap and better center posts.

The Cigreen Holmes is a perfect example of a Chinese Co. that has learned much from their former business practices (they used to make many counterfeits, err umm clones). Now they have an innovative original "authentic" design of their own in the Holmes!

 

[stevegmu]

The Cigreen Holmes is a perfect example of a Chinese Co. that has learned much from their former business practices (they used to make many counterfeits, err umm clones). Now they have an innovative original "authentic" design of their own in the Holmes!

Where can I buy a clone of it and save $2? I need 30 of them to keep from smoking, so I'd be crazy not to save $60...

 

[jhhollier]

Having an authentic RTA or RDA is cool? Please tell me which society it is in which you live because I assure you the one I live in (aka the real world) RTAs and RDAs are not considered cool by the general public. Non-vapers either don't pay attention, give you a strange look or on very rare occasions ask about that "e cigarette thing." I've not once had anyone ask about the brand of my RTA. If I get questions/comments about my gear at work its generally about the size difference as most people are used to ego batteries and clearomizers. The second most asked question is about whether vaping worked to keep me off cigarettes. I think the assertion that clones are bought for some sort of cool points is hilarious.

Personally, I buy both. Whichever clone version performs the best I buy, whether it has logos or not. No ----- given. The distinction between buying a branded and non-branded clone is tenuous at best. Both are made using another company's design. I don't really understand how leaving off the logos shows respect for the original designer. Showing respect would be to not copy it all. Again, no ----- given on this end. If the better performer has no logos, great. If it does, also great.

I do support and buy reasonably priced authentics. I am not buying an authentic Kayfun v4 for $180 when Tobeco has managed to produce a device that performs as well as it does at 1/3 the price. I'm not going to be gouged because of the name brand, sorry.

 

[alicewonderland]

I save money for the luxuries I buy, but I know that is unheard of in our society...

yeah like i said, vaping is on the low bar of luxuries for me. I save my money for my luxuries in craft beer, as for me personally i think it justifiable for me to spend more money because i personally can taste and tell the difference between the price ranges in craft beer. Call me ignorant call me anything you want, but i cant find that justifiability in RDA's. A clone RDA and a authentic RDA there is not much difference if any at all for me to justify that huge price gap difference, the juice and mod itself has a bigger impact on the quality of vape than the RDA in my opinion. Therefore I save money in that aspect, and spend money elsewhere where i can actually see/taste a difference and know 100% that my money is going to good use. From MY point of view, do I want to spend 75$ to get an authentic or save 75$ and just get a clone, where I can spend that 75$ on craft beer where I can actually personally tell a difference in quality? There is no thinking about that question, I'd rather spend 75$ more in an aspect of my life that I am more well versed at and interested in. You can argue I am doing a disfavor to the authentic manufacturer but who cares I personally think they are overcharging for a product? If they wanted my business then they would put it at a reasonable price, not everyone lives and dies to be a vapor. Indulgence has earned my business regardless of the fact that I never use the atomizers I bought from them on a regular basis, just for the fact that their product is reasonably priced, and I would give my money to any other company if their product was reasonably priced such as vaporshark and beyondvape, but I am never-ever going to pay for a generic stainless steel piece of metal with holes in it 100$ unless I can justify that there has been a lot of research and thought process put into designing that RDA such as the Marquis.

All these other 'authentic' RDA's are just sloppily put together with holes and random crap, they uptalk their product by filling it with big words that makes it seem like they took alot of effort and testing to produce it, they didn't. I compare it to a guy not good at painting, and a guy who is real good at painting but puts no effort in to create a good product. Regardless of the fact that the inexperienced maker put 500% into making that product, it still brings nothing to the table, I would rather give my money to the guy that puts no effort into something but brings something new to the table. Just because you try doesn't mean you deserve my money. The only Authentic RDA that has deserved my money so far is the Authentic Marquis RDA. Vaporshark has earned my money, beyondvape has earned my money, cigreen has earned my money. The rest of the gear I own just doesnt stand out at all. It's good, but not good enough for me to justify me paying full price for originals. Dont dont tell me 'slight' improvements over the clone is enough to be justified because it isn't.

"at least I tried" isnt good enough for me sorry. If you want my money then try harder, you aren't the only person in this market.

 

[Darryl Licht]

Where can I buy a clone of it and save $2? I need 30 of them to keep from smoking, so I'd be crazy not to save $60...

Good one! LOL!

 

[alicewonderland]

Where can I buy a clone of it and save $2? I need 30 of them to keep from smoking, so I'd be crazy not to save $60...

over-exageration just to try to prove your point? lmfao, I buy 1 clone, and apparently it turns into people buying 30 clones?

more like buying 10 different clones of 10 different RDA's rather than 30 of a single type of clone.... get real.

this thread seriously just sounds like you guys bashing on clone users. You dont even have an open mind or even want to listen to peoples reasons why they buy clones... so close minded. Why even make this thread in the first place if you are just going to shove words into peoples mouths.

 

[Darryl Licht]

yeah like i said, vaping is on the low bar of luxuries for me. I save my money for my luxuries in craft beer, as for me personally i think it justifiable for me to spend more money because i personally can taste and tell the difference between the price ranges in craft beer. Call me ignorant call me anything you want, but i cant find that justifiability in RDA's. A clone RDA and a authentic RDA there is not much difference if any at all for me to justify that huge price gap difference, the juice and mod itself has a bigger impact on the quality of vape than the RDA in my opinion. Therefore I save money in that aspect, and spend money elsewhere where i can actually see/taste a difference and know 100% that my money is going to good use. From MY point of view, do I want to spend 75$ to get an authentic or save 75$ and just get a clone, where I can spend that 75$ on craft beer where I can actually personally tell a difference in quality? There is no thinking about that question, I'd rather spend 75$ more in an aspect of my life that I am more well versed at and interested in. You can argue I am doing a disfavor to the authentic manufacturer but who cares I personally think they are overcharging for a product? If they wanted my business then they would put it at a reasonable price, not everyone lives and dies to be a vapor. Indulgence has earned my business regardless of the fact that I never use the atomizers I bought from them on a regular basis, just for the fact that their product is reasonably priced, and I would give my money to any other company if their product was reasonably priced such as vaporshark and beyondvape, but I am never-ever going to pay for a generic stainless steel piece of metal with holes in it 100$ unless I can justify that there has been a lot of research and thought process put into designing that RDA such as the Marquis. All these other 'authentic' RDA's are just sloppily put together with holes and random crap, they uptalk their product by filling it with big words that makes it seem like they took alot of effort and testing to produce it, they didn't.

OK, I understand and completely agree that $100 or more on an atty is too much. No Atty should ever be more than $30-40! (maybe even $50 for a new unique or revolutionary design)

BUT... (Insert Direct Question Here) Why buy a $30 clone of a $150 atty when there are a plethora of good authentics out there that are in the $30 range?

 

[stevegmu]

yeah like i said, vaping is on the low bar of luxuries for me. I save my money for my luxuries in craft beer, as for me personally i think it justifiable for me to spend more money because i personally can taste and tell the difference between the price ranges in craft beer. Call me ignorant call me anything you want, but i cant find that justifiability in RDA's. A clone RDA and a authentic RDA there is not much difference if any at all for me to justify that huge price gap difference, the juice and mod itself has a bigger impact on the quality of vape than the RDA in my opinion. Therefore I save money in that aspect, and spend money elsewhere where i can actually see/taste a difference and know 100% that my money is going to good use. From MY point of view, do I want to spend 75$ to get an authentic or save 75$ and just get a clone, where I can spend that 75$ on craft beer where I can actually personally tell a difference in quality? There is no thinking about that question, I'd rather spend 75$ more in an aspect of my life that I am more well versed at and interested in. You can argue I am doing a disfavor to the authentic manufacturer but who cares I personally think they are overcharging for a product? If they wanted my business then they would put it at a reasonable price, not everyone lives and dies to be a vapor. Indulgence has earned my business regardless of the fact that I never use the atomizers I bought from them on a regular basis, just for the fact that their product is reasonably priced, and I would give my money to any other company if their product was reasonably priced such as vaporshark and beyondvape, but I am never-ever going to pay for a generic stainless steel piece of metal with holes in it 100$ unless I can justify that there has been a lot of research and thought process put into designing that RDA such as the Marquis.

All these other 'authentic' RDA's are just sloppily put together with holes and random crap, they uptalk their product by filling it with big words that makes it seem like they took alot of effort and testing to produce it, they didn't. I compare it to a guy not good at painting, and a guy who is real good at painting but puts no effort in to create a good product. Regardless of the fact that the inexperienced maker put 500% into making that product, it still brings nothing to the table, I would rather give my money to the guy that puts no effort into something but brings something new to the table. Just because you try doesn't mean you deserve my money. The only Authentic RDA that has deserved my money so far is the Authentic Marquis RDA. Vaporshark has earned my money, beyondvape has earned my money, cigreen has earned my money. The rest of the gear I own just doesnt stand out at all. It's good, but not good enough for me to justify buying the originals.

"at least I tried" isnt good enough for me sorry. If you want my money then try harder, you aren't the only person in this market.

I take it you have never seen a genuine Kayfun...

Everyone has priorities. I take a luxury holiday to Prague twice a year and drink the finest beer in the world, while my co workers sit on the couch at home on vacation drinking Budweiser...

 

[stevegmu]

over-exageration just to try to prove your point? lmfao, I buy 1 clone, and apparently it turns into people buying 30 clones?

more like buying 10 different clones of 10 different RDA's rather than 30 of a single type of clone.... get real.

this thread seriously just sounds like you guys bashing on clone users. You dont even have an open mind or even want to listen to peoples reasons why they buy clones... so close minded. Why even make this thread in the first place if you are just going to shove words into peoples mouths.

I didn't start the thread...I just don't buy any excuse for counterfeiting, promoting it or participating in it...

 

[alicewonderland]

OK, I understand and completely agree that $100 or more on an atty is too much. No Atty should ever be more than $30-40! (maybe even $50 for a new unique or revolutionary design)

BUT... (Insert Direct Question Here) Why buy a $30 clone of a $150 atty when there are a plethora of good authentics out there that are in the $30 range?

please give me a list of good authentics out there in the 30$ range other than the mutation x.