Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?

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No, I don't. Any product on the market would face the same if they A) didn't use the systems in place to protect your goods. Most modders don't, it's on them, B) grossly over charged for their products and thus creating the market for their product being copied in the first place.
If an authentic of a particular style only cost 20% or so more then the clone, then not many would buy the clone unless it was shown to be a better product then the original (as sometimes happens). The reason cloning is soooo prevalent in the vape world lies at the feet of the "authentic" modders. Remember also that these authentics..... They are also copying other earlier designs. Copying is copying, whether it looks exactly the same or not. So where does this "moral high ground" actually stem from?
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I thought Marines had higher values and morals!

Chesty would be ashamed!

Perhaps you are a clone or counterfeit???
 
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To you, and to the English language are different things apparently :p

Clone = exact copy
Counterfeit = fake passed off as real.
If someone is selling clones as authentics, they are guilty of passing on counterfeit goods (see them on Craigslist all the time... Those people I DO have issue with)

You draw a fine line there sir!

It the box is a direct 1:1, and the product is also a 1:1, complete with all logos and even a "Made in USA"... how can you honestly say it is a clone and stand behind it like that?
 

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Let's put aside the question of logos and falsified country of origin markings for a moment.

Do you guys really not see anything wrong in taking someone else's design, copying down to the most minute detail, and flooding the market with those exactly copies?

I Do.

And this is Also why I decided Not to pursue some of the Designs I have for e-Cigarette Hardware.

Because I know that Attempting to Recoup the Development Money needed to bring a Design to Market will be Very Difficult when My Designs will be Cloned/Counterfeited.
 

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I Do.

And this is Also why I decided Not to pursue some of the Designs I have for e-Cigarette Hardware.

Because I know that Attempting to Recoup the Development Money needed to bring a Design to Market will be Very Difficult when My Designs will be Cloned/Counterfeited.

Can I getta, I said canna getta... CAN I GET A.... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MEN?
 

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I do personally, and I refuse to support (knowingly) the pirates and thieves who manufacture these copies, clones, and counterfeits! But that is my take on it!

I wont give my $ to a vape shop who sells clones either... I'll just keep driving!

I don't know of any vape shops that don't sell clones. You must spend a lot of time driving.
 

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I don't know of any vape shops that don't sell clones. You must spend a lot of time driving.

I live in So Cal, THE MECCA OF THE VAPE WORLD!

So no I don't have to drive far! There are 2 shops very close to me that refuse to sell clones! If you live in BFE, then yes you might have to!

Nice try at a joke, but a big FAT FAIL!
 

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I live in So Cal, THE MECCA OF THE VAPE WORLD!

So no I don't have to drive far! There are 2 shops very close to me that refuse to sell clones! If you live in BFE, then yes you might have to!

Nice try at a joke, but a big FAT FAIL!

Look man, how old are you? I am getting tired of your antics. Cool down. People are vaping here. We use different types of products. Some mech mods, some regulated. Some clones, some authentic. Who cares? Let it go.
 

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This explains a lot, given their inability to hold a rational discussion and posting of memes...

Deep, coming from someone that rarely completes a sentence.:ohmy:

I Did Notice:


This thread seems to be more of a Setup for Purist than anything to do with the original post.
A means to an end if you will. A way to sucker people in and Belittle the masses for ones self gratification.

This thread has long passed the stage of curiosity and is simply a let them post so I can be Demeaning run-on.

Whatever Keeps you Free from Smoking

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I thought Marines had higher values and morals!

Chesty would be ashamed!

Perhaps you are a clone or counterfeit???


You mean the guy who said this?....
“Take me to the Brig. I want to see the “real Marines”. ”
- Major General Chesty Puller, USMC

Nice try buddy, but my buying of clones isn't immoral, those few of you trying to harp on us about it won't change that. Unless you only buy the very first created mod of it's kind, you are just as guilty of buying a product that copied from another. Lets imagine you are in school, do you think the teacher would find it acceptable that you copied of the guy next to you just because you reworded the answer to make it appear different?
To me, the immoral ones are those aesthetically altering a basic design, making no real innovations, and slapping a ridiculously high price tag on it.
Because a fool and his money are easily parted, people are supporting these crooks so that they can have their warm fuzzy about being cool with the latest and greatest .
 

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Look man, how old are you? I am getting tired of your antics. Cool down. People are vaping here. We use different types of products. Some mech mods, some regulated. Some clones, some authentic. Who cares? Let it go.

Not that it's any of your bees wax, but I'm 52! (and I bet a fair share older than you!)

What antics are your referring to sir?

I stand firmly on the side of authentics, I will not knowingly support thieves and crooks! Nor will I support overpriced authentics. There are just too many good choices in the "realistic" price range these days to do so... IN MY OPINION!

What's a "realistic" price for these chunks of cnc'd metal? Again, IN MY OPINION... no more than $100 for a mech, no more than $150 for a regulated mod, and no more than $50 for any atty.
 

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The end justifies the means, eh?

Troll much?

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But, this thread is what it is. A means for unknowns to think they can prove they are better than other unknowns. An Impossible task verging on insanity.
 

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You draw a fine line there sir!



It the box is a direct 1:1, and the product is also a 1:1, complete with all logos and even a "Made in USA"... how can you honestly say it is a clone and stand behind it like that?


Didn't I already say I do take issue with the clones that miss use the made in? Pretty sure I did.......yup, I surely did. Can't actually have a conversation if one side doesn't actually listen to what the other side says.
Not one of my clones say made in "x" anywhere on them, and they were all sold to me as "style of" ergo they are clones, not counterfeit. That isn't a fine line or distinction, that's proper use of the English language, as opposed to trying to make something sound worse (or better) to strengthen ones position on the subject.
 

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You mean the guy who said this?....
“Take me to the Brig. I want to see the “real Marines”. ”
- Major General Chesty Puller, USMC

Nice try buddy, but my buying of clones isn't immoral, those few of you trying to harp on us about it won't change that. Unless you only buy the very first created mod of it's kind, you are just as guilty of buying a product that copied from another. Lets imagine you are in school, do you think the teacher would find it acceptable that you copied of the guy next to you just because you reworded the answer to make it appear different?
To me, the immoral ones are those aesthetically altering a basic design, making no real innovations, and slapping a ridiculously high price tag on it.
Because a fool and his money are easily parted, people are supporting these crooks so that they can have their warm fuzzy about being cool with the latest and greatest .

Yes that Chesty! I see you posted the one single Chesty quote to help justify your point... Yet he also said this:
"There are not enough Chinamen in the world to stop a fully armed Marine regiment from going where ever they want to go”

OK... would you knowingly take a Chinese cloned Kabar into battle? Or a Chinese copy of an M4? Cloned M855 ammo???

By your reasoning a company that make 5,000 authentic original designs really only makes 1 (the very 1st off their line)? But it's perfectly OK for another company to copy that design 1:1, including all the logos and packaging?
 

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If I wear a mask and look just like you, does that make me a clone ( your twin) or a counterfit ( someone who looks like you) ?

If you act in that persons name, then you are a counterfeit. If you act like you not that person, then you are just a copy.
If the cloners sell them as originals then they are counterfeits. If they are priced much lower, then it`s just a copy or clone, and not ilegal at all. certenly not a rip off.
And very often, large Companies are much better and more often than not make better Products.
My PC is a legit Device With genuine Windows, yet it make my writing look weird, With the capitalising letters in the middle of a sentence.
 

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Didn't I already say I do take issue with the clones that miss use the made in? Pretty sure I did.......yup, I surely did. Can't actually have a conversation if one side doesn't actually listen to what the other side says.
Not one of my clones say made in "x" anywhere on them, and they were all sold to me as "style of" ergo they are clones, not counterfeit. That isn't a fine line or distinction, that's proper use of the English language, as opposed to trying to make something sound worse (or better) to strengthen ones position on the subject.

But you also said its only a "counterfeit" if it is sold as the authentic. The fact that all logos and packaging are copied 1:1 makes it a counterfeit whether sold as original or not!

Since you keep claiming "proper use of English language" as your defense lets take a look at the definition of counterfeit:

To counterfeit means to imitate something. Counterfeit products are fake replicas of the real product. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product.

Hmmmm, I think the ground your standing on isn't stable!
 

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Yes that Chesty! I see you posted the one single Chesty quote to help justify your point... Yet he also said this:
"There are not enough Chinamen in the world to stop a fully armed Marine regiment from going where ever they want to go”

OK... would you knowingly take a Chinese cloned Kabar into battle? Or a Chinese copy of an M4? Cloned M855 ammo???

By your reasoning a company that make 5,000 authentic original designs really only makes 1 (the very 1st off their line)? But it's perfectly OK for another company to copy that design 1:1, including all the logos and packaging?


If that kabar was of the same or better quality, sure.
I chose a well known quote that was apt for the situation and illustrated my point... Which you missed.
By first of its kind I didn't mean serial #0001 of a production run. #0001 still isn't the first of it's kind, it copies design elements of the first of it's kind......first tube mech ever, first box mod ever, first vv/vw...etc., etc..
 
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