It's possibly a tension type headache. And the analog relieved the stress to the muscles in your neck,shoulders,etc. Enuff to help alleviate the headache. You may,may,want to see if you grind your teeth at night. That can be caused by stress as well. You can pick up a bite guard relatively cheap and see if that helps with the mornings.
Why do people who stop vaping go back to normal cigarettes?
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It's possibly a tension type headache. And the analog relieved the stress to the muscles in your neck,shoulders,etc. Enuff to help alleviate the headache. You may,may,want to see if you grind your teeth at night. That can be caused by stress as well. You can pick up a bite guard relatively cheap and see if that helps with the mornings.
Still thinking about ordering WTA but I'm worried it will just prolong my addiction, maybe I should just smoke 1-2 analogs a day for a while then stop, or try passion flower
I just hit my very first day of not even one cig and that was yesterday. Heh, actually realized near bedtime I'd not lit up even once. Decided once I'd thought about it, I should go to bed right then so I could make a first full day.
Hey congratulations, that's huge. When I had my first day without one I was sort of surprised that a national holiday wasn't declared in honour of this earth-shattering occurrence. For quite a while I was very pleased if I could have one smoke-free day a week ... You are so right to focus on the victory of the smokes you don't have.
I think fear and stress certainly fuel an addiction, and that smoking is a very complex addiction as it involves so many factors (nicotine dependency, MOA inhibitor/tobacco compound dependencies, behavior patterns ...)
Combining all these elements with the fact that a self-soothing behaviour pattern is notoriously difficult to break and the more stress/anxiety/fear the stronger the desire to rely on the self-soothing ... It's really quite amazing what we are all accomplishing!!!
I find fostering an attitude of curiosity (what is is I want now: nic rush, chain vape, did something just act as a trigger ...) really helpful not only because the more I learn about my reactions the more power I have, but also because thinking "I wonder why" tends to move me away from stress/anxiety.
Personally I expect I will always be a tobacco addict - I am certainly addicted to nicotine and I am certainly addicted to other tobacco compounds. I still like the taste and smell, and the thought of smoking one does not fill me with disgust as it does for some vapers. Still, I do believe it is possible to not exist in a state of constant struggle. I still have 2-1/2 packs with lighters and all my ashtrays strewn throughout the place ... For me somehow that underlies the fact that I am choosing not to smoke ... And for me choice beats deprivation! That might not work for everyone, but I think if you focus on your individual situation you will find something that works for you.
Exactly this. I've noticed it's not the anxiety that I feel when I crave for a cigarette these days, and it's not even for the taste ( we all know they taste awful! ) but my mouth literally waters for one. I feel like a dog under the tutelage of Pavlov anymore. But I do vape the craving away and they do seem less and less. It feels like it's in it's death throes now, though.
I'm willing to say this is probably the last of the addiction to the alkaloids. I so can't wait for this to pass where I don't even want them anymore. 
I posted this in another thread, and since it's pertinent here, I will re-post.
I've always felt like the odd man out here when I read comments like "I quit the first day and never looked back." or "I tried a cigarette last week and it was horrible! Yuck!" I just can't relate to either of those statements. I've had a difficult time quitting the analogs. Started in 2010. Vape for a few months, back to analogs for a few months, back and forth. I introduced vaping to a buddy of mine and he hasn't had a cigarette since. Introduced my ex-wife to it and she still smokes a pack and a half a day. Even after vaping for months, the smell of cigarette smoke has never smelled bad to me. I kinda wish it did, but it doesn't. I am craving an analog as I write this, even though my last one was at 12:15am New Years Day. I know if I cave, I'll cave completely and say "Screw it. Might as well go get a carton." I definitely don't want to go there. I get really defensive when someone insinuates I haven't quit. Yes I vape, but do you have any idea of the internal struggle I go through when I crave an analog? It's not pleasant.
But I know deep down, vaping is the only hope I have of ever quitting cigarettes, and that keeps me motivated. If they banned e-cigs and cigarettes, I'd probably resort to smoking rolled-up newspaper. It's probably even more difficult as most of the people I hang out with still smoke (including my ex-wife.) But hopefully my AC from Tasty Vapor will come tomorrow and knock the cravings down even further.
The question I am most frequently asked when someone sees me vaping is "Do those things really work?" My response is always the same. "They work if you want them to."
I've always felt like the odd man out here when I read comments like "I quit the first day and never looked back." or "I tried a cigarette last week and it was horrible! Yuck!" I just can't relate to either of those statements. I've had a difficult time quitting the analogs. Started in 2010. Vape for a few months, back to analogs for a few months, back and forth. I introduced vaping to a buddy of mine and he hasn't had a cigarette since. Introduced my ex-wife to it and she still smokes a pack and a half a day. Even after vaping for months, the smell of cigarette smoke has never smelled bad to me. I kinda wish it did, but it doesn't. I am craving an analog as I write this, even though my last one was at 12:15am New Years Day. I know if I cave, I'll cave completely and say "Screw it. Might as well go get a carton." I definitely don't want to go there. I get really defensive when someone insinuates I haven't quit. Yes I vape, but do you have any idea of the internal struggle I go through when I crave an analog? It's not pleasant.
But I know deep down, vaping is the only hope I have of ever quitting cigarettes, and that keeps me motivated. If they banned e-cigs and cigarettes, I'd probably resort to smoking rolled-up newspaper. It's probably even more difficult as most of the people I hang out with still smoke (including my ex-wife.) But hopefully my AC from Tasty Vapor will come tomorrow and knock the cravings down even further.
The question I am most frequently asked when someone sees me vaping is "Do those things really work?" My response is always the same. "They work if you want them to."
Alex picked up some WTA a few weeks ago (kinda pricey but worth it) and it was heaven for me.....really good stuff. What I did though was set a tank aside and I only smoke it in the morning (1st morning analog that we all crave) and after I eat. Stuff is too expensive to vape all day long IMO!! WTA will help but not prolong IMHO! (I got the snickerdoodle.....like I said HEAVEN!)
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I started vaping a bit over a year ago when they banned it on my campus. I had tried an e-cig before that, and didn't like it because it was weak and the flavor was awful, but that was one of those crappy gas station ones. Once I tried an eGo, that really helped because I got that TH and warmth I needed.
I still smoke analogs every now and then. Mostly when I'm at a bar. I don't go to bars often, though, so it's not really that big of a deal. I also sometimes have one or two analogs at the end of the semester when I have final exams and tons of major projects. It helps that my roomie switched to e-cigs at the same time, and my other friends quit smoking, so I'm not around it all the time. When I'm around other people who smoke for a longer period of time, I get that urge to smoke, even though I'm thinking that it's gross at the same time. lol. I don't really beat myself up about it when I do have one though because I used to smoke a pack a day, and now I smoke maybe 10 a year. Nobody made me quit smoking, so I'm pretty happy with where I'm at.
I still smoke analogs every now and then. Mostly when I'm at a bar. I don't go to bars often, though, so it's not really that big of a deal. I also sometimes have one or two analogs at the end of the semester when I have final exams and tons of major projects. It helps that my roomie switched to e-cigs at the same time, and my other friends quit smoking, so I'm not around it all the time. When I'm around other people who smoke for a longer period of time, I get that urge to smoke, even though I'm thinking that it's gross at the same time. lol. I don't really beat myself up about it when I do have one though because I used to smoke a pack a day, and now I smoke maybe 10 a year. Nobody made me quit smoking, so I'm pretty happy with where I'm at.
In addition, let's be real most smokers began vaping because of the price point, otherwise there would be no point to vaping for many smokers...I mean I get that there are people who switch because of health reasons also, but seriously many of us who were born after the late eighties grew up with all of the information about smoking and still chose to smoke cigarettes...so yes there is the addictive quality of cigarettes and there's psychological attachment, but many people quit because everyone else wants them which means that many people have an attachment because they didn't want to quit in the first place, personally if cigarettes were three bucks a pack I wouldn't be vaping because I loved smoking cigarettes and wish I still could
I personally have quit and started smoking dozens of times and I kept falling back in the habit. I recently (3 weeks ago) started vaping as I was tired of the smell (and so was my wife - a non smoker) and also the way I felt when waking up and coughing in the mornings. After a pack a day for the last 10 years I have been able to pretty much put down my analogs - The only time when I still go for them is when I am at work, I guess it is still my one vice. When I am at home I don't even think about picking up a stinky analog. I am also still trying to figure out this whole new amazing world of steeping, clearomizers and all manner of things. I am hoping that once I get settled that I will be able to never even touch an analog cigarette again...and that day is coming!
my experience.. first off.. i got passion flower extract before wta. it 'hit' the urge when i took it but had a horrible back swing on me and made me want cigs more because its not the same compound. second.. i understand what u are thinking... but vaping wta is nothing like inhaling smoke and chemicals from cigarettes.. cigs are 100 percent worse. so... i think weaning with wta and nic juice using vaping is better and cigs are prolonging your unhealthy addiction.
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Alex, I have used, and still use, on occasion, snus, dissolvables (Ariva, Stonewall) and WTA eliquids. If you're looking for a healthier alternative to cigarettes, only Swedish snus has a long track record wrt safety. Snus has been used in Scandinavia for over 200 years and has been studied ad nauseam. I don't know if you can get locally in Australia, but if you can, I would start with snus. General mini mint white portion is a good introduction to snusing. Real Swedish snus is not for the faint of heart. There is also American snus, like Camel; again, no idea if it's available in Australia. It's not as good as the real thing.
Dissolvable tobacco is not being produced in the States anymore due to poor sales. It is almost as good as snus--but not quite.
WTA eliquids are still somewhat controversial; it's a new product and it hasn't been tested like snus. I use it, and it relaxes me, but it doesn't act like snus. Other people report great satisfaction from WTA eliquids.
Healthwise, any of the three products mentioned above is better than smoking a cigarette. On the other hand, if you're down to one or two cigs a day, you're doing great, and it's possible you don't need anything else. Just keep on vaping and see what happens.
Passionflower didn't do much for me. If you have to try it, have a cup of passionflower tea, or get some drops from a health food store. Yerba Mate tea is also good, so is Valerian--I wouldn't vape any of that, just have a nice cuppa!
Good luck and much success.
NJOY King disposables do pack a punch, mind you. I have tried them--they come in 3.0 and 4.5% strength!!! That's 30 mg/ml nic for the low version, and 45 mg/ml for the high. Just saying. Which one did you get? Maybe upping your eliquid strength a bit might help?
I never wait! Some boutique blends, mixed to order, continue to develop better flavor as they age a bit, but most commercially available juices are ready to go out of the box. Shop around and order small samples from different vendors, 3-5 ml bottles. You'll find your juice sooner or later.
See above. Is your eliquid strong enough? Most of new vapers have at least one bottle of higher nic juices to help them through their worst cravings. Then they switch to lower concentrations for all day vaping.
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i think people who go back to smoking just happened to get themselves a bad cheep e-cig to start i see it all the time.
they hear about them and are unsure they will work for them so they dont want to spend much on it and insist they want one the size of a standard cig so they get a crappy disposable or something like a Blu, puff on it a few times and at first seems ok but a half hour later it starts to work like junk and instead or realizing they bought junk then they just assume all devices must work like that and wont work for them,later down the road they see or get to try a real one and realize they can work good order themselves a decent one (usually and ego to start) and are happy ever after..
they hear about them and are unsure they will work for them so they dont want to spend much on it and insist they want one the size of a standard cig so they get a crappy disposable or something like a Blu, puff on it a few times and at first seems ok but a half hour later it starts to work like junk and instead or realizing they bought junk then they just assume all devices must work like that and wont work for them,later down the road they see or get to try a real one and realize they can work good order themselves a decent one (usually and ego to start) and are happy ever after..
Whilst I agree, can I also disagree?
Three years ago I stopped smoking using Chantix, it worked for me. But after many years of tobacco use and being smoke Free for 3 years, I noticed my body required nicotine in order to function properly. I knew I didn't want to start smoking again.
I considered lozenges and sprays and all sorts of NRT's and then one day I saw disposable ecig's at my local supermarket. Cost £10GBP ($15USD)!! It promised 400 puffs. A 20's pack was around £7 ($11). Mine was an easy decision. I was already smoke free, I Needed nicotine, I was Sold despite a false promise. I hobbled along until I found ECF and this community has gone a long way in establishing my patience and enjoyment of vaping.
Should cigarettes suddenly become cheaper than vaping, I seriously doubt I could ever go back. I'm always on the look out for a more efficient method of vaping, I prefer simplicity, but smoking? Too easy, No reward.
Honestly? How many us did a little dance when we eventually got our first wonky carto, clearo, mod working properly? And that "Yesss" that seems to slip passed our lips when we finally get our first RBA up and running? That sense of satisfied accomplishment.
Not quite the same as striking a match Unless one is totally smashed and accurately manages to navigate an unlit filter-end to one's lips.
I've not switched back as of yet, even momentarily, but there have been times that it's been tempting. While dealing with technical vaping issues when I really don't feel like it, I often think to myself, "Smoking was so much simpler." Fortunately, I have enough gear on standby at any given time to just let the problem set-up sit until I feel like dealing with it.
There's also the fact that sometimes a cigarette just sounds good to me. Not often, but sometimes.
There's also the fact that sometimes a cigarette just sounds good to me. Not often, but sometimes.
Listen, in my opinion, before you go running after other juices and kits and what ever, first and foremost: don't expect yourself to perform miracles.
Not everyone walks away from smoking the first day. Some do. And that's great. Others don't. For me, it's been playing out over a month and isn't quite done. But I've come a loooooong way. I smoked "lights" but a pack and a half to two packs a day. Before I ran into vaping, I was trying to cut back to "just" a pack a day. In the past week, I've had maybe three or four cigs total? If I just "gotta have one", I do. I don't have a big war with myself.
I'm good at setting myself up to fail. So since I stumbled into this, I refuse to get into a "quit" mindset and refuse to pressure myself. Instead, I'm determined to focus on the positive aspects of vaping. Enjoying flavors and finding new ones for example. Or dabbling in "dripping" which produces a different effect than my cartos do and is interesting (though I doubt I'll do it regularly). I find the more I enjoy vaping, the less I want to go back.
But you're shifting around ingrained habits and all kinds of sciencey brain chemical processes. That's not always an easy thing to do. You say you've been at it three days. Okay, are you smoking less? If "yes", be happy.
Most everybody who smokes regularly, uses smoking for stress relief. Stress yourself too much to do some magical, overnight quit and you could end up wanting to smoke more. Talk about vicious cycles.
So I consciously chose to only worry about it if the smoking went up instead of continuing down and to emphasize the positive aspects of vaping. Such as, my search for a "tobacco like" liquid I like continues.
And every week, there's been a drop in the number of times I go for a regular cig. Then in this past... second half of the week, the things not only taste very, very bad, they give me a headache. I notice talking about regular cigs now, I have a mild urge to have one which is followed immediately by a "ICK" reaction as I remember the headachy thing and that terrible taste. And the urge passes. Yesterday, I had another zero cig day. Second one. I part because the thought of having one kinda nauseated me a little. And vaping is so much better. Wasn't hard to ignore that "pull". Which is milder all the time.
Cut yourself some slack. Count the ones you don't smoke, not the ones you do...
Heh, yeah, national holiday, fireworks, TV specials and parades!
I think I had another cig free day yesterday. It's gotten down to so few cigs that I'm not always certain when I had one. But there's one sitting in an ashtray, mocking me. And it happened sometime in the last three days. I'm going to leave it right where it is and see if I can find it by itself and all alone tomorrow morning.
For me, the whole negative, "will power" quit thing has been a fiasco every time. This is something different. I like vaping. That's what happened with that first disposable. I forgot (actually forgot!) to light up for hours because I was enjoying the vaping instead (and getting the nicotine of course). The positive pull of vaping is working better than the negative "Quit! Smoking!" thing.
Long as the trend continues to be away from cigs, I'm happy.
I'm finding it helps to occupy yourself with exploring this new thing. And finding liquids you really, really like. Seems the more you "get into" vaping, the less attractive cigs become.
That's really working for me. The more I enjoy vaping, the more cigs seem... well, they're becoming disgusting. The last couple of cigs I had were such a bad experience it's going to be a lot easier to stay clear of the things this week...
I quit the very day I got my eGo-C (close to a year ago). I think that one must have strong determination as a prerequisite. Secondly, it's easier if you're a little technical type. Let's face it, ecigs can sometime be a little intimidating to some. You have to learn how to vape right, what to vape, how to take care of your ecig and so on to get a satisfying good vape. If one buys a cheap, barely functional ecig and an eliquid which does not taste right, it can be a big turn off. 99% of new vapers who have someone more experienced to help them out at the start will keep on vaping. That's what I see around me. The one percenters will quit mostly due to some alergy or other health related problems with ecigs.
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