Why is ECF full of so many people against subohming?

[betterthanyou]

I understand atomizer and battery safety very well. I understand ohms law very well. I apply this knowledge to my builds.

I have gotten into sub ohm vaping with my authentic Helios/Stingray combination. I use Sony VTC4/VTC5 batteries, some of the best batteries you can buy for high amp discharge and subohming in general.

Safety 100% is my main priority with any build. I always use a multimeter, I always know what I'm vaping.

I post a perfect stacked quad coil build at .11 ohms in the 'modding' section and receive comments like: "Cant wait to see you on the news" "YOLO" "Thats dangerous" and I sit there thinking, are these people really that stupid? Do they not understand what the Sony VTC4/VTC5 batteries can do? Here, I'll show you:

This is straight from the VTC4 battery spec sheet:
http://i.imgur.com/dD3QXth.jpg


As you can see the 38 amps Im pulling at a full 4.2V on a sony vtc4 is well within the safe limits of what this battery and what my atomizer/mod can do. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

And I get those kinds of comments? And a moderator moving my thread to the 'not advised' section? ...?

Just curious about this.... I don't run away from low sub ohm builds in fear. I make sure that the resistance I'm vaping at can be safely handled.

 

[B1sh0p]

Jealousy...

There's been a lot of misinformation about battery safety as well.

 

[jjordan]

That's just one scary subject I refuse to touch as of yet and me still pretty much being a n00b!

 

[betterthanyou]

Jealousy...

There's been a lot of misinformation about battery safety as well.

I can only come to ridiculous conclusions as to why so many people on this board are against low sub ohm vaping... and that these people do not understand what their batteries can and cannot do. If they are ignoring the facts... it must be something else. Like jealousy for example. I'll never understand this. Telling me my .11ohm 38amp draw build is dangerous when using a Sony VTC4. LOL

 

[KenD]

This is from someone who almost exclusively uses mechs and subohms. At 0.11 ohms you're stressing your batteries a lot, even though they should be able to handle 60a pulses. You don't have any safety margin, plus no multimeter is accurate enough to measure 0.11 ohms. You might very well be lower than that, and in that case it's dumb luck that your batteries haven't vented. Beside the safety issue I'd also ask why you feel the need to go that low?

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[B1sh0p]

Those poor insulators.

 

[TomCatt]

What type of meter are you using that you are confident that your 0.11 ohm setup is 0.11 ohms and not, say 0.08 or 0.06 or 0.15? Just curious

'Cause 'Joe Blow' may see your post and pull out his Harbor Freight MM, build a similar setup and measure it at 0.11; but it may actually be 0.01

 

[jwag1973]

I don't think anyone is opposed to sub-ohm vaping, I think their concerned about safety. I know when I see this type post, I'm thinking...this has the potential to turn out real bad.

Tell me honestly, what's the vape quality like at .11?

How's the flavor?
Throat hit?

Probably not that great, I'd doubt it's even that good. I know it's nothing but heat.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

I don't think most are against it, its just we get a lot of newbies trying sub ohming with out ohm readers, no knowledge about it yet are building sub ohm coils and asking questions. It's more of a safety thing. If you don't know what you are doing and don't have the proper tools then don't do it until you can get the tools needed. Of course if you've researched and have the proper tools then great.

 

[B1sh0p]

Do you wear welding shirts and sunglasses to test fire it?

 

[Paul.K]

Even with a good meter the leads can be 0.1 to 0.2 ohms off.

Sent from my cotton stuffed microcoiled Android unit.

 

[edyle]

I can understand why a thread titled "0.11 ohm stacked...." would get moved to the "Not Advised" forum.

 

[betterthanyou]

I don't think anyone is opposed to sub-ohm vaping, I think their concerned about safety. I know when I see this type post, I'm thinking...this has the potential to turn out real bad.

Tell me honestly, what's the vape quality like at .11?

How's the flavor?
Throat hit?

Probably not that great, I'd doubt it's even that good. I know it's nothing but heat.

Once again, wrong. Flavor is fantastic and so is the vape. Heat? My answer to that is 'what heat'? I have my helios drilled for increased airflow.

Why go this low? Vapor production. I really only need a 2 second draw. Comparing this to some of my other builds, lets say .8ohms, the flavor is maybe 10% more muted (barely noticeable), and the additional vapor is a plus with this low resistance build.

Throat hit? Perfect. I use exclusively 6mg nicotine juice. Usually 50/50 VGPG.

And as for my batteries venting, someone show me one of my Sony VTC4/5s and where they show signs of stress. Because there aint any.

 

[betterthanyou]

Those poor insulators.

Insulators are fine, after heavy use on low sub ohm builds.

 

[siklilmonkey]

1st off I guess I dont care much what other people think of my sub ohmin, that would be like me bashing them for being over 1 ohm, who cares. What works for you is what counts.

As far as the ohm readers being off, if you build alot of coils you get to know what gauge wire and how many wraps give you x amount of ohms. I guess what im saying is that through experiance in building lots of set ups, you get to the point where you can finish your build and already know what your ohms will be, then i just use the ohm meter to check for shorts.

I think the reason why you dont read of alot of accidents happening is because of all the signs you get before a bad thing happens, your vape wont taste right, or your switch is getting hot.

I did see a .037 ohm vid the other day, not sure I would go that low.


Battery vent test vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQocKa-Rh-s&list=PLtFwdcau-KCrg1chFiZKeCTlDx92I3Uqu

 

[Rocketpunk]

If you know what you're doing and have a complete understanding of all the basics required, no one is against sub-ohming. If that is what you want, no one should stand in your way and say you can't or shouldn't.

If, however, you do not know all of the in's and out's of sub-ohming (and there is a lot, some may say), it can be dangerous at worst.

My biggest issue is with young people. Young people are naturally attracted to the "extreme" of anything, whether it's sports, outdoor activities, tweaking a hot-rod engine, building computers, playing games or instruments, anything that can become a hobby. Many young people do not realize the dangers that can come from sub-ohming. I'm NOT saying all young people cannot "grasp" or understand and perfect their sub-ohming skills, because many, many can.

My concern is for the small minority who see others doing this safely and still say "I just wanna blow huge clouds, man, huge clouds," and they have no desire to seek out how to safely and accurately go about fulfilling "huge clouds, man". Trust me. The vast majority of you who participate on this forum represent the VAST minority of vapers out there.

A pre-built sub-ohm coil falling into the hands of an immature 18 year old who wants to out-cloud his buddies... man, things could just go bad.

I will never call someone out on wanting to sub-ohm. If that is what you want to do, do it. Just please be aware of the dangers.

"Oooooh, danger danger Will Robinson, we're not all r-tards!"

No, not all of you are. But there are some who ARE, and it's those we should be concerned about. If you got wrapping a coil down to a science and you can do it with no issues, awesome. But some cannot, and I've seen noobs ignite cotton on fire. Sigh...

Just know what the blank you are doing before you attempt to do it.

Just like all those Provari threads: It's not the device, it's the person USING the device (aka guns don't kill people, people kill people argument).

P.S. I've heard many sub-ohmers tell kids (I said kids) that "if you're still asking these types of questions, you're not ready". No one wants to do research. A select few do, but if I were holding one hand against the other, the ones who don't are the majority.

 

[pt91]

Extreme sub ohming is likely to provide more opposition against us as a whole when someone blows off their face. Then if we are lucky we get BT's weak little cigalikes or go back to tobacco. Statistics are not on our side when people are armed with just enough info to push it a little further and end up on the evening news. Why?

 

[AntnyMikal]

1st off I guess I dont care much what other people think of my sub ohmin, that would be like me bashing them for being over 1 ohm, who cares. What works for you is what counts.

This is where I'm at. I always see rediculous assumptions like "too hot""no flavor" etc etc.

Honestly I've let at least 10 people try some of my builds that are in the .2-.5 range and they were blown away. Some of them were not even smokers and some were the "I don't want to be one of the cloud chasers types"

Also because some idiots blow their faces off, which is their right, now we're all in danger. People see sub ohm and scream out "stranger danger".

I'm more the lion type, so I give 2 you know whats about sheep.

 

[Rocketpunk]

This, this right here, ECF.

This is where I'm at. I always see rediculous assumptions like "too hot""no flavor" etc etc.

Honestly I've let at least 10 people try some of my builds that are in the .2-.5 range and they were blown away. Some of them were not even smokers and some were the "I don't want to be one of the cloud chasers types"

Also because some idiots blow their faces off, which is their right, now we're all in danger. People see sub ohm and scream out "stranger danger".

I'm more the lion type, so I give 2 you know whats about sheep.

 

[Rocketpunk]

Also because some idiots blow their faces off, which is their right, now we're all in danger. People see sub ohm and scream out "stranger danger".

That is EXACTLY how the scenario would go down.