Why is ECF full of so many people against subohming?

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Hulamoon

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Tut. I applaud your ability with ohms and all the whatnots. I personally have no interest in sub ohming because I have a level of comfort with what I use, and the flavors of naturally extracted tobacco that I enjoy. I vape because I smoked for 40 years and I was heading for a very nasty death. I don't want to bugger about with ohms and big clouds and all that stuff.

No, I don't understand why or exactly how sub-ohming is better than what I currently use. As a 100% VG vaper, I can probably blow just as big a clouds as you, Neenah Neenah Neenah. (JUST KIDDING!):D

But introducing broad statements such as "If you don't see the advantage of [doing it my way] then you shouldn't be vaping to begin with" somewhat answers your question - it's attitude.

If you feel comfortable doing what you're doing, go for it. Meanwhile, the rest of us are comfortable doing what we're doing and would advise against sub-ohming unless you are absolutely sure you know what's what.

You don't see the benefit because you haven't tried it. And thats all Im' going to say. You could, on the other hand, ask what the vape is like, and what the benefits are of a ~.11ohm setup. I think I actually already answered that for you, and if you don't see the advantage, I don't understand why you are vaping to begin with.
 

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Are you saying that batteries do not deteriorate? You keep talking about sony 4s. Are those your primary batteries? I would think that you would have move up to much better batteries if you are chasing the fire.
How do you know what knowledge I have? This is part of the problem I have with your comments in this post. You started it by saying you got thrashed in other places and you are coming here for acceptance. See a pattern here?
Get some 50 amp batteries and quit bragging.

lol.

Ok, no comment.

Oh, and I think hundred watt vapers really should ... actaully they should plug into the wall... but for mobile, the 50 amp 26650's would be a better option than the 18650's, yes.
 

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i wasn't talking about ego, please don't think they don't know their stuff, if they have engineers that design their products as well as factories with huge production lines (take special note on the word FACTORY) not anyone can just have a factory, so yes, i really don't care who answered me, i got a answer from a company & that's all i need.

If that's good enough for you, great.

I don't really care that they have FACTORIES, didn't know that made them the end all be all.
 

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100 watt? You wuzz! Now ME, I use a 400 Watter just like my good buddy here. Phhhhttt.jpg


QUOTE=edyle;13106585]lol.

Ok, no comment.

Oh, and I think hundred watt vapers really should ... actaully they should plug into the wall... but for mobile, the 50 amp 26650's would be a better option than the 18650's, yes.[/QUOTE]
 
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Are you saying that batteries do not deteriorate? You keep talking about sony 4s. Are those your primary batteries? I would think that you would have move up to much better batteries if you are chasing the fire.
How do you know what knowledge I have? This is part of the problem I have with your comments in this post. You started it by saying you got thrashed in other places and you are coming here for acceptance. See a pattern here?
Get some 50 amp batteries and quit bragging.
Of course batteries get washed up over time. And the more stress on the battery, the sooner you need to replace them. But we're not talking weeks here, we're talking many many months. The sony VTC4s and 5s are the best batteries on the market. They have a very low internal resistance.

If I want much higher amp batts i'd need to move up to a 26650, and there is no necessity to do so.

And I didn't get thrashed in other places. I got thrashed HERE in a thread I made in the modding section. Consensus is many ECF members are uninformed, dont understand ohms law and builds, dont understand shorts, and shy away from sub ohming because they dont want to 'end up on the news and give e cigs a bad name'. Thats fine with me, keep vaping your ego twist and go your own way. Let the people who know how to build and know about battery safety do their own thing.

Get some 50 amp batteries. LOL. show me some 18650 50 amp batteries :laugh:
 

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100 watt? You wuzz! Now ME, I use a 400 Watter just like my good buddy here. View attachment 334262


lol.

Ok, no comment.

Oh, and I think hundred watt vapers really should ... actaully they should plug into the wall... but for mobile, the 50 amp 26650's would be a better option than the 18650's, yes.


Not ONE hundred watt; I said "hundred watt"; as in - not ten watt and not thousand watt, but in the 100, 200, ..500 watt range.
But anyway, since you say you use 400 watts, do you plug into the 110 volt wall outlet sometimes :)
 

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Nah, I just climb up on the roof, hang off a branch and swing an electric cord at the transformer on the pole outside on the street.

Not ONE hundred watt; I said "hundred watt"; as in - not ten watt and not thousand watt, but in the 100, 200, ..500 watt range.
But anyway, since you say you use 400 watts, do you plug into the 110 volt wall outlet sometimes :)
 

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If that's good enough for you, great.

I don't really care that they have FACTORIES, didn't know that made them the end all be all.

actually puts them in a higher place that some guy making micro coils at home saying "he knows it like the back of hand" or "he knows how to measure ohms", etc, etc... So yeah..
 

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actually puts them in a higher place that some guy making micro coils at home saying "he knows it like the back of hand" or "he knows how to measure ohms", etc, etc... So yeah..

Btw, what exactly did you ask them?
I contacted them asking if they would release anything with sub ohm
I mean "anything with subohm" sounds kind of vague.

They don't make batteries.

oh- or maybe if the were going to make a dna-30 or some such higher powered mod?
 

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actually puts them in a higher place that some guy making micro coils at home saying "he knows it like the back of hand" or "he knows how to measure ohms", etc, etc... So yeah..

Yeah you are right. So dangerous that responsible vapors have been doing this for years without incident. I suppose if some Engineer in a Factory told You anything that'd be enough for you.

You know, because they're in a higher place. But again if that's good enough for you....I'd personally like to see their research and results on the matter. Surely they'd release something so important, especially as they have our interest at heart. Wouldn't they want the information to back up what they said to you? I mean these engineers in factories have surely done thorough testing and studies on sub ohming right? Surely more than some guy.

So if you got a letter from them tomorrow saying sub ohm is safe with proper gear and knowledge tomorrow, it would change your mind?
 

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Anyone ever measure the resistance of a traditional incandescent light bulb? :evil:

Looking at 1 now; 17.5 ohms.
can't read the label on it but its probably a 60 watt bulb.


Lets see:

110 x 110 / 17.5 = works out to about 600 watts.
But since its ac voltage and the wire inside is a coil, you also have inductive impedence load; not something I can measure.
 

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You don't see the benefit because you haven't tried it. And thats all Im' going to say. You could, on the other hand, ask what the vape is like, and what the benefits are of a ~.11ohm setup. I think I actually already answered that for you, and if you don't see the advantage, I don't understand why you are vaping to begin with.

:facepalm:
 
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