Why you guys think Provari is expensive??

[TruSound]

I can appreciate that times are tough with the bad economy and all, however, I don't really understand the issues vapers have with the price of PV's, if you smoked just one pack a day at 5 bucks a pack you've spent $1800.
I just done see how buying even a top of the line PV with all necessary accessories and liquid would be a problem, you would have spent it on analogs anyway, not all at once of course, but pretty quick if you were a heavy smoker or live place where 1 pack is 8-10 dollars, either way your gonna save money in the long run, and don't forget about all the other things you'll save, no more burnt clothing, furniture,car seats and lungs...just saying.

 

[landscaper]

I understand all your arguments, and agree with a few of them. The only thing you've said, twice now, that is really bugging me is that the ProVari is 4x as much as the lavatube. From what I've read, the cheapest you can get the LT is $66 without batteries, just the PV. Then you have to add shipping to that. So, let's say $71 shipped. The cheapest you can get the ProVari is $159 without batteries, just the PV. Shipping is free on any purchase over $100, so that's $159 shipped. If I'm accurate about the base cost of the LT, the ProVari is approx, 2.3 - 2.4 times more expensive than the LT. Yes, still more expensive by quite a margin. Just not 4x more expensive. If you can find a LT for $50, and I am sure a lot of people want to know where, then the ProVari would still not be 4x more expensive. I'm not arguing for or against a LT or a ProVari. I just think posters would do well to state the real costs and not over or under inflate.

2SMOK - Cigarros Electrónicos | Lavatube 35 Euros or around $50. for just the tube. Don't know how much shipping is.

Don't forget you have to buy the extended cap for another $25 to fit the larger batteries with the provari, where the lt you don't.

Dave

 

[MustangSallie]

2SMOK - Cigarros Electrónicos | Lavatube 35 Euros or around $50. for just the tube. Don't know how much shipping is.

Don't forget you have to buy the extended cap for another $25 to fit the larger batteries with the provari, where the lt you don't.

Dave

Do you happen to know if that includes the 1 year warranty, or a 3 month warranty as some have said?

I like that the extended cap is an option that you only need to buy if you want to use the larger batteries. The size is a bit overwhelming as it is, the extended cap makes it even more so. I wasn't factoring that in, as larger batts isn't a priority for me. If you choose to buy it, then it certainly puts the cost at closer to 3x that of the lava. The LavaTube would be more appealing to me if it included a similar option at a similar savings. I know, that's just me and I'm sure many people would choose the extended length. Not manufacturing the LT that way probably helps keep costs down anyway.

 

[ricks]

Depends where you buy it from I think

Do you happen to know if that includes the 1 year warranty, or a 3 month warranty as some have said?

I like that the extended cap is an option that you only need to buy if you want to use the larger batteries. The size is a bit overwhelming as it is, the extended cap makes it even more so. I wasn't factoring that in, as larger batts isn't a priority for me. If you choose to buy it, then it certainly puts the cost at closer to 3x that of the lava. The LavaTube would be more appealing to me if it included a similar option at a similar savings. I know, that's just me and I'm sure many people would choose the extended length. Not manufacturing the LT that way probably helps keep costs down anyway.

 

[AlmightyGod]

2SMOK - Cigarros Electrónicos | Lavatube 35 Euros or around $50. for just the tube. Don't know how much shipping is.

Don't forget you have to buy the extended cap for another $25 to fit the larger batteries with the provari, where the lt you don't.

Dave

You're forgetting the 20% VAT tax on European goods.

 

[landscaper]

You're forgetting the 20% VAT tax on European goods.

Shipped to the US you don't pay it.

Dave

 

[landscaper]

Do you happen to know if that includes the 1 year warranty, or a 3 month warranty as some have said?

I like that the extended cap is an option that you only need to buy if you want to use the larger batteries. The size is a bit overwhelming as it is, the extended cap makes it even more so. I wasn't factoring that in, as larger batts isn't a priority for me. If you choose to buy it, then it certainly puts the cost at closer to 3x that of the lava. The LavaTube would be more appealing to me if it included a similar option at a similar savings. I know, that's just me and I'm sure many people would choose the extended length. Not manufacturing the LT that way probably helps keep costs down anyway.

You don't need an extended cap to use the bigger battery with the LT. That is why the LT is slightly larger.

Dave

 

[MustangSallie]

Shipped to the US you don't pay it.

Dave

Yes you do. At least I have in the past.

 

[MustangSallie]

You don't need an extended cap to use the bigger battery with the LT. That is why the LT is slightly larger.

Dave

I understand that. What I meant is that the LT would be more appealing to me if it was smaller and included an option to use a larger battery if desired.

 

[AlmightyGod]

Shipped to the US you don't pay it.

Dave

I paid VAT on everything from Europe.
What makes this special?

 

[landscaper]

I understand that. What I meant is that the LT would be more appealing to me if it was smaller and included an option to use a larger battery if desired.

2SMOK - Cigarros Electrónicos | LavaTube These guys have a mini.

Dave

 

[Morandir835]

This whole debate makes little sense to me.... The lt is not a provari, and despite what so many people try to say don't see how they're comparable. One is a solid steel tube with the ability to check atomizer resistance, is within 0.03v of what it states the voltage is, and is backed by great customer service. The lt is aluminum, can't check the resistance, and has a number of little issues reported thus far. Yes they're both vv tube mods, but that's where it ends. There's no need to attack the provari because of the lava tube and vice versa. For those who want vv without spending over a hundred the lt is what you're going to go for. For those in the market for one of the two best vv mods on the market your choices are the provari and the darwin...

Btw- congrats on becoming a mod Uba sir.

 

[augustus76]

The prices in online stores have VAT included. Maybe you have more taxes on arrival, maybe at customs. The only adittional cost is the shipment.

Along with that link you have more offers:

Preventa LAVATUBE- MOD VOLTAJE VARIABLE-Body - solovapor.es (pre-order)

MOD VULCANO VOLTAJE VARIABLE (in stock)

Lavatube Variable Voltage Mod (in stock)

I think most Provari's functionalitiess are useless for the common vaper, like myself. LT is more focused and is a better value-for-money, in my opinion.

 

[landscaper]

I paid VAT on everything from Europe.
What makes this special?

Maybe I'm mistaken I thought if you lived in the US you did not pay it. I will check to make sure.

Dave

 

[landscaper]

This whole debate makes little sense to me.... The lt is not a provari, and despite what so many people try to say don't see how they're comparable. One is a solid steel tube with the ability to check atomizer resistance, is within 0.03v of what it states the voltage is, and is backed by great customer service. The lt is aluminum, can't check the resistance, and has a number of little issues reported thus far. Yes they're both vv tube mods, but that's where it ends. There's no need to attack the provari because of the lava tube and vice versa. For those who want vv without spending over a hundred the lt is what you're going to go for. For those in the market for one of the two best vv mods on the market your choices are the provari and the darwin...

Btw- congrats on becoming a mod Uba sir.

So other than being SS Vs aluminum and not being able to check resistance how are they really different?

Dave

 

[Tersur]

One is manufactured in the USA. Your keeping Americans employed. One is manufactured in China. One is a known proven mod. One is full of first run manufacturing defects. One has stainless steel endcaps. One has Plastic.....

So other than being SS Vs aluminum and not being able to check resistance how are they really different?

Dave

 

[Morandir835]

Dave sir where to begin. 16 second cut off time vs. 10. E2 error lets you know you're at too high a voltage instead of it dropping to 3.7v (which until next year when my vaping budget is back on track can't test to say it does for sure). As mentioned earlier the voltage on the provari is almost spot on, from what I've seen thus far can't say the same for the lt. This leads to where that steel vs aluminum part comes in. An 18650 aw imr batt has 96 amps of power inside it. When they do explode it's never pretty. Would rather have thick steel with every over protection possible than aluminum with questionable internals protecting me from it. Again will go with the knife analogy, a no name $40 knife is still a knife, will still cut things, but the blade will be made of a lesser steel, and the locking system won't match up to a higher end blade at $200. A failed lock on folding blade will result in injury. Again, both knives, but by no means the same...

 

[donnah]

while I don't have one... I think the provari could be a sound investment if it keeps you off cigarettes, keeps you satisfied and keeps you from collecting various mods. If I were just starting out and knew what I know now, I'd go ahead and make the investment. But I followed the steps and worked my way up and now have an assortment of different mods that meet my needs. In total money spent (on pvs), I've probably spent twice the amout of the cost of a provari.

Since I have what I need now.. and money is always tight, buying a provari wouldn't be very cost effective for me. But if I were to lose or break them all.............

 

[zoiDman]

2SMOK - Cigarros Electrónicos | LavaTube These guys have a mini.

Dave

That's what I'm all about. A 18350 Mini.

 

[ukeman]

In any market, unless things are so different now given the state of the economy, there will be competition.
Aside from the Buzz original (and the Infinity orig.) Provari is the first to come out with regulated VV (plus the bells and whistles and the strong housing) and because quality is good, it stands tall even now after the first and second wave of regulated VV pv's.

Then there are the other reg. VV's which parallel in price... Darwin and Notcigs' Pro series. Either is priced more or less, depending on bells/whistles.
What you get for each is reflected in the price points.

The name of the game is quality (durability, innovation) and profit. There are some of us that will pay for innovation, given quality assurances, but it is the investors that have to take the risk (see Digitalciggz's Eclipse eq).
Then there are the hords who will go for mass produced foreign products.
In between are the modders who market on the ECF sub forums.

Until vaping goes mainstream it's a balancing act.