"You didn't really quit"

[WomanOfHeart]

My family practice physician was happy with my using an ecig. A new Dr. I just went to a couple months ago isn't impressed and basically thinks I haven't stopped anything. The nurse in the room with us was shocked when the Dr. told me nicotine causes cancer.... and I said it does not and that she should read up on that info. I refused a Chantix RX from her, she mailed me an RX a week after my appt. anyhow. I threw it away. I don't look forward to going to see her again. Looking for another Dr. now.

That was pretty ballsy of her to do that. I hope she didn't charge you for it!

It surprises me that there are doctors who still have this mind set. My doctors LOVE the fact that I made the switch! It's nothing short of a miracle to them and whenever I go in they always ask if I'm still vaping.

 

[leannebug]

I understand where you are coming from... emotions, feelings that tug at the heart strings.. they are hard to reason with in a rational way. I've had people close to me, die because of their addictions (my grandmother, my grandfather), my aunt now has emphysema, and I've watched one of the closest people to me, struggle for the past 3 years with addictions (my son). I've put him in two rehabs, a half way house, and at one point I thought I would never see him again. NO ONE wants to bury their children. I came closer to that than I care to think, I understand the heart wrenching, gut twisting PAIN... and he survived. Is he free of his addictions? No, he will probably struggle with addiction his entire life, and that is something I've had to come to terms with. Addictions. Pain. Struggle. Death. These are horrible things. But I believe whole heartedly that vaping is a GOOD thing. My daughter is thrilled that I quit 'smoking'. She doesn't want to bury her mama, any more than I want to bury my son. But I do think, no matter how bad nicotine may be, I'm in a much better place than I used to be, and I think most of us are. We should rejoice in that, and take pride in how far we have come.


2c

 

[mylose64]

I wouldnt know if HE is trying to pick a fight, but it 'sounds' as if he was into this new "therapeutic fashion" of being 'rude' or agressive online as to compensate for something missing in his real-life...

Mind you, I think that this might even work and lead to a very relaxing practice for some; wouldnt know... But, this is to be done in some type of 'yahoo anonimous forum' (it seems this is their very purpose...) and maybe just not here.

OTOH, YOU; mylose64, may very well (though it does not seem very likely...) be trying to make some valid points out of some seudo-insight or personal experience which may sound 'objective' to you... But if this is the case maybe you might wanna reconsider your expressions... Remember that -as we write what we mean to say may end up sounding radically different- So, you are sounding as some stupid smart-... teenager who claims to know everything but doesnt really have the slightest clue...
PLEASE Do not feel offended ! Really... Maybe it is in part because we have been 'touched' by some violent aspect comprised by your wording and ARE being a bit SENSITIVE about it... So... I know that when somebody tells you that you ARE BEING A JERK as in these type of circumstances it may lead to further anger and more "jerkiness" in return... But I mention this hoping you DO NOT take this the wrong way... Simply try to be a bit more friendly when it comes to dismissing criterias that are not necessarily 'universally'/ conventionally wrong and which havent been violently nor in any ilegit way imposed to you...
This way we may even listen to you, and consider your possibly valid views...
If it is 'online war' you are interested in... Go on with that ....ty attitude... But I dont think this is the case 100%... Because while you are a teenager (yes, synonim to stupid in The Objective and Universal Dictionary, heee!) part of you is trying to be forum-based and interested in some "online real-sharing experience"

Someone has to keep this thread going

 

[earthpig]

ok. ^

It's really disturbing doctors are so misinformed. My normal family practitioner knew nothing of the ingredients or the product. I was shocked. I filled him in, briefly since time is always an issue with him. He was then good with it and happy about my alternative.

I use a Holistic Life Extension Doctor. The guy is a genius on the issues of ingredients and supplements. He was also unaware of that an e-cig has in it. I took the time and filled him in. He Was Thrilled!! He then asked for more info (which I later sent) and went about telling me how the various ingredients metabolize in the system and are basically harmless.
(watch out for flavorings, however)

I am shocked at the misinformation and the FDA's indoctrination of stupidity .

I'm such a Boar!

 

[SmokingRT]

hahahahaha you are so funny thanks for the laugh

 

[earthpig]

No Problem

Arnold Zieffel

 

[Ande]

I'm currently vaping 0mg chocolate. It's not my fave (too sweet) but it's late and I don't want to be up all night. I vaped some 6 mg this morning, and again after dinner this evening, but have been on 0, when I've vaped, for most of the day. Left the house for a two hour hike with my lady, and we went for dinner after without having planned to. I didn't take my pv, so that's close to half a day without vaping. Does that mean I'm addicted? (still using nicotine) Or that I'm not? (didn't/don't miss it when I don't use it for extended periods of time)

The thing is, I don't CARE. I'm happy. I like my life. I like not smoking, cause I don't cough, and it doesn't bother others around me. I exercise a lot more easily than I did three months ago. I don't get tetchy being around my wife. (No smoking, she's preggers.) I am content with what I've got.

Heck, I like my vapes. Nice flavors. Something to do with my fidgety hands when I'm in a bar. Something to enjoy while I work long hours on the computer. A shiny geeky toy I like to play with.

And a good community of like minded people enjoying similar things. (Nice forum!)

Am I still addicted? Probably. Will I always be? Maybe.

But I'm not hurting anybody, and I'm enjoying the decisions I'm making.

It's probably not perfect, but it's sure not slavery.


Ande

 

[bassthumper]

Hmmmm.
I used to know everything too. Until I grew up. I also used to think everyone was just like me. I was wrong about that, too.
However I never made a public spectacle out of it. Maybe that's because I've never really been hungry for attention. I guess when it comes down to online forums, some people are in the wrong electronic cigarette forum altogether.
There's another one for the mouthy and ill-informed. I suggest some consider this option. They'd sure fit in.

I'm not naming names so don't come at me with an attitude thank you.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

Hmmmm.
I used to know everything too. Until I grew up. I also used to think everyone was just like me. I was wrong about that, too.
However I never made a public spectacle out of it. Maybe that's because I've never really been hungry for attention. I guess when it comes down to online forums, some people are in the wrong electronic cigarette forum altogether.
There's another one for the mouthy and ill-informed. I suggest some consider this option. They'd sure fit in.

I'm not naming names so don't come at me with an attitude thank you.

You mean people actually grow out of this??? Would you mind letting the little "man-diva" in the cubicle next to me know that? I think he could use a full-on reality check. He's really a piece of work...

 

[revolver]

So...

Maybe it's time for some UPDATE or CONCLUSION; bottom-line, etc:

What "smoking" is may depend on different interpretations which may be all logical and reasonable to this term, and according to many of them VAPING could be or not INCLUDED as a way of smoking...
One of you mentioned that SMOKING implied SMOKE... True, but then again, "smoke" itself could take many interpretations here as well and the VAPOR we produced could also be 'considered' or referred to as SMOKE (by analogy or possibly out of a totally correct entry depending on context)... It is mostly a question of idomaticity or usage of language... The very same word may have a different meaning depending on its extension... Ending up meaning even opposite things...
Do you see where I'm going? YES, that's right... Definitions could vary largely, depending on the cirsumstances...
However, many points from this thread were VALID and would translate into some sort of CONSENSUS according to which we could STATE that:

-If you VAPE, technnically, you ARE NOT a smoker. A SMOKER is (strictu sensu) a person who uses 'traditional' cigarettes, or pipes or similar to consume tobacco mostly.
However, WE may still be considered addicts, to nic and/or the act of vaping itself... And we could be 'potential' smokers, in a way... Truth remains that WE have chosen an alternative which happens to be much safer... As simple as that...

So.... What happens if THEY tell us YOU HAVENT QUIT...

We might very well tell them that:
While we havent entirely given up on "the puffing habit", we have technically QUIT smoking 'per se' as we DO NOT do cigarettes any more... We are now VAPERS... We have chosen a much safer option...

This may lead to an entirely new "Are THOSE things that safe? ETC" level, but our concern in this thread was the previous 'label'...

=)

 

[earthpig]

And questions are good. ^
Criticism , on the other hand can be dealt with swift.
Personally I don't care if I'm considered a smoker or not and smoke doesn't bother me in the least.
Regardless, though, if I'm not bothering others , don't jump on me. I might jump back, as is fair.
Got a question? Glad to discuss it.

Such a Pig

 

[Moonflame]

Good post Revolver. When I go to the doctor and have to fill out paperwork I put down that I'm a non-smoker (as of almost 2 years ago) but that I still use nicotine in a vaporized liquid form. It never fits in the space provided, but I find room somewhere on the forms to explain. I figure eventually they'll have vaper listed as an option.

 

[leannebug]

Lbug you know I love ya but this is a side of you I have never seen....lol

it's that Irish streak

Good post Revolver. When I go to the doctor and have to fill out paperwork I put down that I'm a non-smoker (as of almost 2 years ago) but that I still use nicotine in a vaporized liquid form. It never fits in the space provided, but I find room somewhere on the forms to explain. I figure eventually they'll have vaper listed as an option.

Good point! I hope they do soon! I told my GP, because he oversees all my other doctors (makes things easier on all involved) and he was VERY supportive. But he's also younger, and reads up on all the latest and greatest. WONDERFUL doctor. My cardiologist and Rheumys- I didn't tell.. I just said that I had quit smoking. They aren't the type of doctors to 'sit and chat' or to show any real interest when they ask the obligatory "how are you doing?" questions. Since, AFAIK, vaping doesn't affect the areas they treat (any worse than smoking) I decided it was not important to bring it up at this time. IF it becomes an issue later.. of course I would, but for now it was just easier to say I had quit smoking.

I really think this is important, and something that ALL doctors should be schooled on, as it can have a major effect on a patient's health... but what can ya do??

 

[mylose64]

Just to clear things up, my posts all contained the information : nicotine is addictive.

That was pretty much all I wanted to say. I didn't mean to come off immature or get so many personal attacks.

 

[DC2]

Just to clear things up, my posts all contained the information : nicotine is addictive.

I'm not going to say nicotine is not addictive, but...

Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Technically, nicotine is not significantly addictive, as nicotine administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties. However, after coadministration with an MAOI, such as those found in tobacco, nicotine produces significant behavioral sensitization, a measure of addiction potential. This is similar in effect to amphetamine.

That was pretty much all I wanted to say. I didn't mean to come off immature or get so many personal attacks.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

I espcially liked the part about being a fool if we don't agree with you.
Yeah, I think that was my favorite part.

 

[revolver]

YES; indeed... As pointed out: Nicotine itself may not be THAT addictive but it is the 'marriage' between nic and MAOIs that make smokes SO-SO-SO addictive.... Together with many other substances and components as part of a deadly cocktail which is designed to be massively addictive...

And mylose64... I'm glad (and proud) you have cleared things out this way... Good for you!

=)