ZFM Zero Filler Mod

[jj2]

I finally got one working. Went to Walmart today and bought these little silicone bowls.
My first attempt a making the plug was a failure.
Then I pressed my cart on paper and cut out the shape and then used it to cut the plug. This one worked.
It must not have been perfect because it's working without the vent straw.
So far, I like.

 

[MadeyeTony]

I just tried something a little different. I drilled a hole in the side of the cart. Then I cut a small square piece of silicon and super-glued it over the hole. Then I took a needle and pierced the silicone right into the hole. I had to mess with it a little to get the pinhole just right. It seems to be working pretty well though. No flooding, no vacuum.

 

[enraged_hunter]

i just gave this a shot and so far its working, and crossing my fingers. i might have to go and get some silicon cups if it keeps working

 

[eclypse]

I just tried something a little different. I drilled a hole in the side of the cart. Then I cut a small square piece of silicon and super-glued it over the hole. Then I took a needle and pierced the silicone right into the hole. I had to mess with it a little to get the pinhole just right. It seems to be working pretty well though. No flooding, no vacuum.

WOW Seriously?? Thats only what i've been trying to get tell people for ever it seems.. hehe.

I'd like to see some pics of it.. please let us know how it hold up over time.

 

[HippyGirl]

Well, it's not working so good for me anymore...

The 1st one that worked did so beautifully, but only in the cart I used for the pattern. It will not work properly in a different cart.

I tried everything I could think of...

• moving the straw from the working cart to the new one...no joy
• made sure the distance from the top of the straw to the edge of the cart was the same...no joy
• was sure to use the same atty...no joy

It either pops out or turns sideways and floods the atty...but only in a different cart.

I just used another's idea of filling the top of the cart I cut apart w/ silicone. Once it sets, perhaps it will work in multiple carts as this silicone seems to be more pliable when cured.

Sigh....

 

[HippyGirl]

I just tried something a little different. I drilled a hole in the side of the cart. Then I cut a small square piece of silicon and super-glued it over the hole. Then I took a needle and pierced the silicone right into the hole. I had to mess with it a little to get the pinhole just right. It seems to be working pretty well though. No flooding, no vacuum.

Where in the cart are you drilling the hole? I looked at a cutaway pic as a guide and drilled a TINY hole where I thought it SHOULD be drilled and all I get is a very leaky, messy cart.

Thx

 

[HippyGirl]

Isn't it AMAZING just HOW much time we're willing to spend on the quest for the perfect cart mod???

 

[Scottbee]

What's even more amazing is how much time is spent after "the search is over!".... ;-)

 

[rejoice]

Happy Birthday scottyballs!!!

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

Where in the cart are you drilling the hole? I looked at a cutaway pic as a guide and drilled a TINY hole where I thought it SHOULD be drilled and all I get is a very leaky, messy cart.

Thx

Your plug is to tight it needs to lay nice and flat in the cart mine pop right in with hardly any presure..

your hole in the side of the cart is to big you basically made a mini beer ...... if you look a couple pages back you will see a picture I posted with a tiny "V" cut in the plug this is all thats needed.. and really if your plug is not perfect you dont need the V... perfect plugs somtimes create a vacume and not let the juice flow..

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

Happy Birthday scottyballs!!!

Thank you Rejoice!!.. 31 blehhh!!

 

[Scottbee]

Thank you Rejoice!!.. 31 blehhh!!

OMG..... you're a PUPPY!

 

[jj2]

Well I vaped my successful one dry and had to make the decision on whether to keep using this method. I guess if you don't mind actually having to deal with the cart to reload, it great.
Then I thought about going back to the new TB method that Kristin come up with that'd I'd been using for the last week but it seems to get gummed up faster than my on going favorite.
So it was back to the face buff and TB. It's just so much easier at pop the cart off the atty and add drops and as filler goes it’s the only one that I’ve found that hangs in there for a week or more before it needs to be removed and cleaned.

 

[jxmiller]

After I made my last post, I keep reading about people having problems replacing, removing, whatever the silicone plug. I think I may have made it too complicated or it was overlooked... or maybe I am just nuts.

Take a staple, put it in the silicone before it cures. Get creative on how you can get it to stay by bending the staple. Make sure to put it on the edge as to not block the nickel mesh poking through the silicone.

This should allow you to grab the staple and pull out the plug.

 

[kristin]

It's a good idea, but I think a lot of people want to avoid adding any metal that may corrode?

 

[Darmeen]

I am trucking along with the arch design...Since I was using the silicone spatula cut in half thickness wise, I was able to do away with the straw...

I am running with a hole punched using something similar to a leather punch (as someone had mentioned much earlier in this thread)...running two carts in tandem refilling when they run dry...

I have noticed that I will get about half way through a cart and it starts running lean, so I slide the cart out enough to remove the pressure from the atty, give it a couple tilts back and forth, take a couple drags, and push it back on, then proceed to drain that bad boy! LOL

If I experience ANY leaking, it is because I didn't get the plug snug in the cart...and it isn't flooding, just minor leaking.

I leave them sitting flat on my desk when I go to bed at night, and had not had any issue with them flooding overnight.

PS, I also have a very small set of needle nose pliers that I use to pull out my plug and to help in getting it seated properly after filling.

 

[HippyGirl]

Your plug is to tight it needs to lay nice and flat in the cart mine pop right in with hardly any presure..

your hole in the side of the cart is to big you basically made a mini beer ...... if you look a couple pages back you will see a picture I posted with a tiny "V" cut in the plug this is all thats needed.. and really if your plug is not perfect you dont need the V... perfect plugs somtimes create a vacume and not let the juice flow..

Well, I have another one curing anyway. I saw the pic of the "v" notch...will try it tomorrow.

I loooved the way my 1st successful one worked...seriously.

 

[Kurt]

Scottyballs: this mod totally rocks! I just saw this thread tonight, and made 4 510 carts. No leaks, and about the best vaping I've had with this PV. I'm using straw and 510 condom cut with ~2 mm diamond hole in center. If the edges are tight against the cart wall all round, you can tap it upside down on a hard surface and there is no liquid dripping. And the hole is open all the time, not just pushed open by the bridge. Combo of high surface tension and no 2nd hole for air flow back in. Atty does not get flooded either. Just amazing.

Only concern is possible plasticizers, but if it is high-temp silicone, then I am guessing there should not be any. This is only a guess. I did a google on "silicone plasticizers" but couldn't find anything that said they were used in membranes, which is what this probably is. But it is a soft material, and in rubber chemistry that used to mean addition of plasticizers...don't know a lot about silicone rubber chemistry. But hey, compared to the probably pounds of plasticizers in all the plastic cups I've ever used and the like, it hardly matters.

Once again, my 510 is far better than it was yesterday, and it was excellent then! I'm using a syringe for loading, but one can drip onto the hole and pop the air bubbles when they come up. Or of course remove the plug and add then put the plug back. It did take a bit to get them just the right size, but when they work, wow do they!

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

Scottyballs: this mod totally rocks! I just saw this thread tonight, and made 4 510 carts. No leaks, and about the best vaping I've had with this PV. I'm using straw and 510 condom cut with ~2 mm diamond hole in center. If the edges are tight against the cart wall all round, you can tap it upside down on a hard surface and there is no liquid dripping. And the hole is open all the time, not just pushed open by the bridge. Combo of high surface tension and no 2nd hole for air flow back in. Atty does not get flooded either. Just amazing.

Only concern is possible plasticizers, but if it is high-temp silicone, then I am guessing there should not be any. This is only a guess. I did a google on "silicone plasticizers" but couldn't find anything that said they were used in membranes, which is what this probably is. But it is a soft material, and in rubber chemistry that used to mean addition of plasticizers...don't know a lot about silicone rubber chemistry. But hey, compared to the probably pounds of plasticizers in all the plastic cups I've ever used and the like, it hardly matters.

Once again, my 510 is far better than it was yesterday, and it was excellent then! I'm using a syringe for loading, but one can drip onto the hole and pop the air bubbles when they come up. Or of course remove the plug and add then put the plug back. It did take a bit to get them just the right size, but when they work, wow do they!

Cool Kurt ... glad a Dimond shape is working for you.. there are alot of shapes and cuts that work.. some do a Slit.. some do a + some do a * P.Daffy has a neat # looks interesting, some do a 0 and + hybrid now we have a dimond to add to the list glad to hear its working for ya!

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

I am trucking along with the arch design...Since I was using the silicone spatula cut in half thickness wise, I was able to do away with the straw...

I am running with a hole punched using something similar to a leather punch (as someone had mentioned much earlier in this thread)...running two carts in tandem refilling when they run dry...

I have noticed that I will get about half way through a cart and it starts running lean, so I slide the cart out enough to remove the pressure from the atty, give it a couple tilts back and forth, take a couple drags, and push it back on, then proceed to drain that bad boy! LOL

If I experience ANY leaking, it is because I didn't get the plug snug in the cart...and it isn't flooding, just minor leaking.

I leave them sitting flat on my desk when I go to bed at night, and had not had any issue with them flooding overnight.

PS, I also have a very small set of needle nose pliers that I use to pull out my plug and to help in getting it seated properly after filling.

Try a shot gun pump with the cart pull it back and push it on 1 or 2 times that worked with one that was drying on me.. also a hard pull without ingnighting the atty will draw juice out too...