Brother I completely agree, but getting enough signatures to exceed the 100000 will at least establish how big of a voice we have.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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haha, well said. I always give a face palm when I hear people stocking up for the vapepocalypse...but it turns out I've been doing it all along
One thing did change for me today...I'm never gonna "face palm" again when I look at my 12 mods and 21 tanks.
Oh man I was thinking about shutting down my distribution business here in Puerto Rico and just sitting on it. Not for nothing but Black Market pays even better. SAD thought .....
So is this an "OMG I should stock up right now" kind of deal?
Are juices going to not be available? (Is it 1 million per flavor?)
Should I buy replacement hardware in case mine dies?
Things I am ok with:
Childproof packaging
18+ only
Indication that package contains nicotine.
Are juices going to not be available? (Is it 1 million per flavor?)
Should I buy replacement hardware in case mine dies?
Things I am ok with:
Childproof packaging
18+ only
Indication that package contains nicotine.
No, I'm not talking about 0 nic juice. I'm talking about a flavor vial that I use to make candles with. Seriously! ;-)
Think about it though: I really like Uncle Junk's Jon Wayne. I'd love to just buy that *flavoring* (premade flavor). How would that be any different than buying Vanilla flavoring? It's not vapable just as a flavor only......(I'm not talking about flavor already mixed with PG or VG - I'm talking about flavor only).
Why couldn't a shop sell proprietary *flavors*? And also sell plain PG, plain VG, and Nic Base that they (they shop owners) purchased from a manufacturer (a manufacturer that as presumably jumped through the hurdles)? Seems to me, if sold like that, shop owners wouldn't have to register/apply with FDA. Unless I am missing something...
There's a tutorial on the forum somewhere under the title nicostick. It was how I learned to make them. All you need is a plastic battery box designed to take two AA batteries and alter it with a 510 fitting on one end and mount a pushbutton. The wiring is super simple. Break one side with the switch and take the other side right to the 510 connector. They aren't the most durable but are cheap to make. I also made a couple from those cheap LED flashlights before. I think I used an 18500 for those. The double AA box will let you fit a 14500. I never got into the more complicated builds where you mount control boards and stuff but am sure I could do it if I needed to.
Flavors are also used for baking as well as vaping. I would think that the companies that just sell flavorings should be ok in all of this as long as they don't advertise them as used for vaping.
Exactly. What's to keep me from opening a candy supply store with all sorts of cool flavors? What do I know what people do with those flavors?
I find it sadly ironic that Great Britain seems to have taking a somewhat more enlightened approach to e-cigarettes than my own country.
The Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure our unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There is overwhelming evidence that e-cigarettes extend lives. They liberate us from combustible cigarettes. Using them is quite enjoyable and provides happiness without causing measurable harm to anyone. This has happened because entrepreneurs have had, until now, the liberty to innovate and sell these products without heavy handed and arbitrary government interference and we have had, until now, the liberty to choose those products which best fulfill our needs and desires.
Among the ways in which Great Britain interfered with the aforesaid unalienable rights was by erecting “a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.” We are seeing the modern equivalent perpetrated on us by the FDA with these deeming regulations.
As they have done so often before, Clive Bates, Carl Phillips, Bill Godshall, et al., will compose well written, cogent, well documented, and highly detailed explanations demonstrating why this set of regulations may well be the most harmful, ill-advised, and needlessly intrusive action of any regulatory agency in US government history. Thousands will sign and submit petitions. Yet the FDA will not pay the slightest heed. Does this sound familiar? “In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. * * * We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity. * * * They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and consanguinity.”
The Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure our unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There is overwhelming evidence that e-cigarettes extend lives. They liberate us from combustible cigarettes. Using them is quite enjoyable and provides happiness without causing measurable harm to anyone. This has happened because entrepreneurs have had, until now, the liberty to innovate and sell these products without heavy handed and arbitrary government interference and we have had, until now, the liberty to choose those products which best fulfill our needs and desires.
Among the ways in which Great Britain interfered with the aforesaid unalienable rights was by erecting “a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.” We are seeing the modern equivalent perpetrated on us by the FDA with these deeming regulations.
As they have done so often before, Clive Bates, Carl Phillips, Bill Godshall, et al., will compose well written, cogent, well documented, and highly detailed explanations demonstrating why this set of regulations may well be the most harmful, ill-advised, and needlessly intrusive action of any regulatory agency in US government history. Thousands will sign and submit petitions. Yet the FDA will not pay the slightest heed. Does this sound familiar? “In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. * * * We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity. * * * They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and consanguinity.”
It seems like the real problem with all of this is the 'hobby' aspect for us. Ecigs aren't going anywhere and ejuice is so easy to make...let's face it, we should all just figure out how to anyway for our wallets.
But the hobby part- buying every new device with slight improvements, waiting for vapemail weekly...may come to an end with this; or be stupid expensive. It's a total bummer if it happens, but I think we need to focus on what we're fighting for here. At least this is my read of this so far, maybe I'm not grasping it all though.
But the hobby part- buying every new device with slight improvements, waiting for vapemail weekly...may come to an end with this; or be stupid expensive. It's a total bummer if it happens, but I think we need to focus on what we're fighting for here. At least this is my read of this so far, maybe I'm not grasping it all though.
Dudes and dudettes, just do your thing.
Vape, or don't vape. But do yourself a solid, steer clear from analogs.
No matter, just no matter should you for any reason go back. If you do, the 'killers by proxy' win. So save yourself, and allow the reaper to reap the rewards it has betrayed itself with.
I say killers by proxy for one simple reason and only one. {Anything; anyone} which does NOT facilitate and or expedite human beings away from sucking the known and proven carcinogens through a tampon, are in fact of my opinion, death dealers.
Vape, or don't vape. But do yourself a solid, steer clear from analogs.
No matter, just no matter should you for any reason go back. If you do, the 'killers by proxy' win. So save yourself, and allow the reaper to reap the rewards it has betrayed itself with.
I say killers by proxy for one simple reason and only one. {Anything; anyone} which does NOT facilitate and or expedite human beings away from sucking the known and proven carcinogens through a tampon, are in fact of my opinion, death dealers.
I firmly believe that vaping has extended my life by many years. I used to inhale 5-7 big fat cigars a day. Thanks to vaping I havent had a puff 3.5 years.
I have personally signed every petition, made phone calls to politicians, and engaged every worthwhile pro-vaping effort I have seen. And I will continue to do so.
However, we could see this coming, so I have learned how to make my own mods, attys, and DIY ejuice. I know how to get nicotine from offshore if need be. I will NOT go back to smoking!!!
Realistically though, I dont see how they can stop the hardware, even though it is in the regs. Look at just about any major city, and especially college towns, did they stop the hardware for that other substance? You can still buy a "water pipe" (....) just about anywhere. Like they did with that substance, manufacturers will just relabel the intended use of our products to read something like "for Aromatherapy use only". The only thing they can "effectively" regulate is nicotine, and this is where they put a dent in vaping.
Dont give up! Fight them at every opportunity.
I have personally signed every petition, made phone calls to politicians, and engaged every worthwhile pro-vaping effort I have seen. And I will continue to do so.
However, we could see this coming, so I have learned how to make my own mods, attys, and DIY ejuice. I know how to get nicotine from offshore if need be. I will NOT go back to smoking!!!
Realistically though, I dont see how they can stop the hardware, even though it is in the regs. Look at just about any major city, and especially college towns, did they stop the hardware for that other substance? You can still buy a "water pipe" (....) just about anywhere. Like they did with that substance, manufacturers will just relabel the intended use of our products to read something like "for Aromatherapy use only". The only thing they can "effectively" regulate is nicotine, and this is where they put a dent in vaping.
Dont give up! Fight them at every opportunity.
And:
That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness
Sad day for sure, but I didn't really expect anything different from big government.
Please take action and contact your representatives today:
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
Please take action and contact your representatives today:
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
I agree, but disagree.
This much more than not being able to get your favorite juice...that's because you won't have a vape shop to get it in.
Juice is the bread and butter of a vape shop. Sure they make a good dollar on equipment, but at the end of the day, the juice is what keeps vape shops open. No one is going to go to a shop that has juice made by RJ Reynolds and so on...Stores will close, people will be out of work by the thousands and by the sheer inconvenience of trying to get an 'approved' device and juice, you will be paying as much, if not more, than a pack of cigarettes. So, by comparison, people will see cigarettes as a cheaper alternative.
Ok, DIY'ers might be okay for juice, but what about pre-made coils for your tanks? Say goodbye...no shop to get them in and can't get them in from FastTech without paying tobacco taxes.
RDA users, like myself, will find it difficult to get the rebuilding supplies we need. It could extend to wire and perhaps cotton itself if it's marketed for vaping, such as Cotton Bacon or Vapers' Choice.
This is just bad, bad, bad and a VERY sad day for vapers everywhere.
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