The ones that get hurt in all of this are the new vaper who doesn't know about all this stuff, and those who have not yet found vaping.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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The ones that get hurt in all of this are the new vaper who doesn't know about all this stuff, and those who have not yet found vaping.
Just keep an eye on News Headlines for - Crxess Arrested for Home Brew E-liquids
Maybe I'll bump into you in a Homeland Security Detention Camp somewhere. Look out for a skinny bald guy with a white beard.
Oh absolutely - this new legislation is essentially the equivalent of signing several million death warrants.
I'm sure they haven't met whatever the new ruling requires. It's too soon.
The vendor I use states that Dekang has been registered with the FDA. I should have said "registered" instead of approved. Registration may just reflect the fact that they use childproof bottle caps that are FDA approved. At this point I have no idea what the FDA is going to approve in e-juices. That will all come later as they answer those questions. Clean rooms and inspections are in the future. I haven't seen anything that defines what can or cannot be in a bottle of juice.
E-Liquid Market has this statement on their site.
Yup, the people that are still smoking are going to be the ones truly screwed by these regs if they stand, hopefully between HR-2058 and the various lawsuits I expect to come there will be some relief, 2 years is a long time for things to change. At the end of the day though the most tragic part of this is the people that will lose years off their life because they won't look at vaping as a legitimate alternative.
The NRA has been mentioned several times. Problem is, they have a constitutional ammendment to fall back on. We do not.
Gonna stock up on juice...
where's the link to your bail fund going to be?
Mike
We will set up a Go fund account when the day comes........I could use a few days vacation while accumulating.
I've read a ton of things that knocked me for a loop today, but this one knocked me the furthest.
Thanks, @Katdarling , for the "heads-up", and I (for one) sure do hope you come back with a big more vigor, SJ. After all, it's your "fault" we're here.
Not giving up yet. I'm simply not ready to.
Since they mention GMP, I wonder if they make their own nicotine. If they supply that nicotine for use in gums or patches distributed in the USA, they would need FDA registration.
I haven't posted on ecf in ages but I am so disgusted & discouraged I guess I have to join in the vent. (Although I haven't posted for a long time, I have sometimes lurked, and I have written letters etc as suggested by CASAA, to share my experience and argue against the harm that would be caused by regulations like these that were just published. )
Because of vaping I have been smoke-free for about 5 years (after smoking for almost 35 yrs, despite having tried to quit with the patch, the gum, medication etc. )
These regulations would have ensured that I never quit!
And to be totally honest, if I couldn't vape, i probably would eventually end up smoking again. But I will sure try everything to avoid that . Pretty crazy I will have to be a criminal to do something healthier.
These regs are even beyond the worst I had expected and seem completely designed to drive out everyone but BT who can make a few crappy cigalikes.
I am just so disgusted and discouraged over this.
I already build my own coils, I use RBDs and RBTs almost exclusively, but I need to prepare for DIY liquids, stock up on supplies, & get me some mech mods with fewer parts to go wrong.
The way theyre bringing so many items into FDA control is scary crazy. I'm wondering how many damn things I need to hoard. Do I need to stock up on batteries and wire as well as 100mg nicotine ?
Here's to crime.
Oh I will be contacting reps about HR 2058. But this pro- BT/pro-BP bs the FDA has come out with has me feeling not so hopeful right now.
Sorry i just needed to b!tch.
Because of vaping I have been smoke-free for about 5 years (after smoking for almost 35 yrs, despite having tried to quit with the patch, the gum, medication etc. )
These regulations would have ensured that I never quit!
And to be totally honest, if I couldn't vape, i probably would eventually end up smoking again.
But I will sure try everything to avoid that . Pretty crazy I will have to be a criminal to do something healthier. These regs are even beyond the worst I had expected and seem completely designed to drive out everyone but BT who can make a few crappy cigalikes.
I am just so disgusted and discouraged over this.
I already build my own coils, I use RBDs and RBTs almost exclusively, but I need to prepare for DIY liquids, stock up on supplies, & get me some mech mods with fewer parts to go wrong.
The way theyre bringing so many items into FDA control is scary crazy. I'm wondering how many damn things I need to hoard. Do I need to stock up on batteries and wire as well as 100mg nicotine ?
Here's to crime.
Oh I will be contacting reps about HR 2058. But this pro- BT/pro-BP bs the FDA has come out with has me feeling not so hopeful right now.
Sorry i just needed to b!tch.
What's the use. It's like getting punched in the face 10 times then begging to be punched in the face 150 more times.
Apparently nothing will be taken off the market for two years. Manufacturers will have to submit to an approval process. If they don't pass or refuse to do so, it looks like they will be illegal after two years.
The FDA is concerned about ecig safety, especially in the area of exploding batteries. They are also concerned about fruit and candy flavors that attract children and teenagers under 18. We don't have anything to worry about today, tomorrow, or anytime in the next two years. That gives us time to breathe before they pry our present mods out of the hands of ecig vendors.
This article hits on the high points of the FDA ruling.
FDA Issues New Rules on E-Cigarettes
There's a video on Bing's search engine with an FDA press release video that explains the intent of this ruling. One point that was made is that people who use ecigs have the right to know that they are safe. The rest was mostly about preventing anyone under 18 from purchasing ecigs and supplies.
fda electronic cigarettes ruling - Bing video
The FDA is concerned about ecig safety, especially in the area of exploding batteries. They are also concerned about fruit and candy flavors that attract children and teenagers under 18. We don't have anything to worry about today, tomorrow, or anytime in the next two years. That gives us time to breathe before they pry our present mods out of the hands of ecig vendors.
This article hits on the high points of the FDA ruling.
FDA Issues New Rules on E-Cigarettes
There's a video on Bing's search engine with an FDA press release video that explains the intent of this ruling. One point that was made is that people who use ecigs have the right to know that they are safe. The rest was mostly about preventing anyone under 18 from purchasing ecigs and supplies.
fda electronic cigarettes ruling - Bing video
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Oh indeed. California is already ahead of that curve, with about 10 bills inflight to really screw gun owners this year. They are keeping the NRA quite busy, assuming they don't just throw their hands up and just walk away from the state.We'll see after a couple judges are replaced...
this is going to hand vaping over to BT 
... and a slew of El Chapos 
... and a slew of El Chapos 
May be this will mobilize enough people to make a difference. These kinds of governing decisions are one of the reasons, but not the only reason, Trump is doing so well. I'''ll support him becuse, if I have to be miserable, I want company.
The brits are going to vote on EU membership soon. That EU court case and the impending rules are will timed to motivate British vapers. I hear the vote will be close. May be the vapers will turn the election away from the EU. Threats to vaping have made me a single issue voter, that's what I would do.
The brits are going to vote on EU membership soon. That EU court case and the impending rules are will timed to motivate British vapers. I hear the vote will be close. May be the vapers will turn the election away from the EU. Threats to vaping have made me a single issue voter, that's what I would do.
Up to now it's been a bit awkward to take action because you were reacting to what appeared to be happening but hadn't yet. In some ways that was the recipe for not being taken seriously, complaining about something yet to happen. *Now* the ball's in our court to respond, unfortunately that's the the way government has always worked.
That ship sailed a long time ago. But I agree it should be reconsidered ... vaping's only the latest reason.
I think eliquid makers could absorb some of the costs of taxation. The size of the industry as a whole is a motivation for regulation, but overcharging is too fine a detail for them.
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