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OK, but just how many pet pythons were going after livestock. I get bringing non-native things in can create problems, but even if someone dumped a python outside a farm, what's the likelihood it would meet another python and have baby pythons to invade and unbalance the ecosystem (you do need two snakes to make lots of little snakes, right?)?

I do get the issues that happen with invasive bugs and damage to crops and native flora, and even invasive, non-native tropical fish people will release into the wild (look at puffer fish moving up along the East coast where they're not exactly supposed to be) but invasive snakes is something I am unfamiliar with.

Besides, "save the cow" doesn't have quite the same emotional impact on the public as "save the children".


Burmese have all but taken over the everglades.

If they'd eat more, they'd be the new apex predator.

The way they breed, it may not be long.

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The chances, while small, does happen, and when it does, there comes a new species in a particular area.

Raising wolves in many areas is illegal (farming wins in most areas) but I rescued a wolf injured from the wild, and simply kept him. He was good, but was always wild. Once he had a touch of blood lust, and killed 75 of my chickens in one day.. he never did it again, as he was in trouble for it and was intelligent, but wild is something you cannot remove from an animal.

He did however, mate with a local coyote that was wild.. something I never realised would happen as it's abnormal behavior.. it's things like that, next thing you know there is a litter of wolf/coyote mixes, all wild.

Things happen, species find a way to go on... farmers don't like it.. losing your small livestock to snakes is already a problem.. snakes and foxes are typical around farms.. it's a daily battle to keep as much of your stock as possible when there are wild animals about.

A six foot dangerous snake bringing a breeding population to an area? Yeah.. farmers will usually win out on a case like that..
How about 14 to 18 feet!

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Nice rescue of the wolf, and I had zero idea they could breed with a coyote. I also didn't know snakes were problems for farmers with small livestock. That's what happens when you grow up in a city. We just have urban legends about alligators flushed and ending up growing into giant gators in the sewer system.

I raised 200 chickens a year, (as well as the cattle) they were enough for my family as well and extended family every year. (We all went in on feed, and split the chickens up once we slaughtered them, but they were on my farm) every year, I lost about a third of those chickens to snakes, foxes, and coyote (although I free ranged them). I had no choice but to factor in the loss into the cost of raising chickens.. now certainly if I hadn't free ranged I wouldn't have lost quite so many, but the job of killing a snake in the chicken house was at the least a bi-weekly occurrence..

And yes, we now know for a fact that coyotes will breed with wolves definitively, but years ago we didn't realise that.. I had certainly never imagined!
Coyote + wolf = new breed of predator

As far as not knowing, we all know what we experience and learn.. now you know something new.. but a python has the same potential to cross breed that a wolf does given the right situation, for real.

As far as the alligator legend, I haven't a clue either! :)
 
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As far as the alligator legend, I haven't a clue either! :)

Me either.

Though knowing some snakes like to grab the mouth or narrow part of the head or face before they wrap...

And how easy it is to keep a gators mouth closed...

And that the striking distance and speed of the python is superior to the gator.

I would assume some of those pythons have eaten gator.

But one big enough to tear the snake in two?

That's definitely suspect IMO.

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Just my opinion...and probably not a real popular one at that....BUT...

All snakes should have a bullseye on their backs because they're all poisonous. Some of the larger worms too. God passed up a good opportunity to make it easier on me.
 

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Just my opinion...and probably not a real popular one at that....BUT...

All snakes should have a bullseye on their backs because they're all poisonous. Some of the larger worms too. God passed up a good opportunity to make it easier on me.

My husband is the same way.. lol.. I don't like killing snakes unless I have to, (as they are good for the ecosystem) but my husband will kill any he sees ..

Heck he's so bad about snakes when I wanted to try a different church we had to avoid all churches with names that seemed reminiscent of a possible snake handling church.. hahaha..

We would drive by and I'd say, what about this church and he would say the name and say no, they probably do snake handling.. hahaha.. we never did try another church because of it.
 

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My husband is the same way.. lol.. I don't like killing snakes unless I have to, (as they are good for the ecosystem) but my husband will kill any he sees ..

Heck he's so bad about snakes when I wanted to try a different church we had to avoid all churches with names that seemed reminiscent of a possible snake handling church.. hahaha..

We would drive by and I'd say, what about this church and he would say the name and say no, they probably do snake handling.. hahaha.. we never did try another church because of it.
I don't like killing snakes either. I prefer running away screaming like a little girl. But, when that's not an option, it becomes a 'me or it' situation. :?:
 

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Just my opinion...and probably not a real popular one at that....BUT...

All snakes should have a bullseye on their backs because they're all poisonous. Some of the larger worms too. God passed up a good opportunity to make it easier on me.
I'm okay with that.

Being a reptile guy, taking into consideration other people's feelings is just part of the deal.

As long as you don't try to take my pets from me, I won't impose them on you.

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Just my opinion...and probably not a real popular one at that....BUT...

All snakes should have a bullseye on their backs because they're all poisonous. Some of the larger worms too. God passed up a good opportunity to make it easier on me.

Hey, I got a Therion with a snakeskin back, so I'm doing my part here.:D
 

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Hey, I got a Therion with a snakeskin back, so I'm doing my part here.:D

Hahaha.. those are cool looking! Now you need a serpent mini to go with it and you will be good as gold!

I just built the serpent mini someone gave me this morning and wow.. just wow.. no wonder the kids love these things! They are awesome and no learning curve at all!
 

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Hahaha.. those are cool looking! Now you need a serpent mini to go with it and you will be good as gold!

I just built the serpent mini someone gave me this morning and wow.. just wow.. no wonder the kids love these things! They are awesome and no learning curve at all!

Is the Serpent Mini a single coil atty?
 

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Thank you! I've been meaning to try it, but there are so many out there I want to try, I sometimes forget what each one's characteristics are.

It's single coil, larger juice wells and an airier vape but you can close down the airflow for a airy mtl or restricted dl if you like..it's airflow is adjustable.
 

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AH Snakes! IMO there's definitely good ones and bad ones (that just have to go one way or another)!

Good ones = The Black Indigo family that lived in my back yard...inside and behind the outdoor A/C unit; the rat snakes sometimes seen in my pastures; the Ball Python named "Monty" that 1 of my students used to bring to class for Science and I'd have him wrapped around my waist while teaching for much of the day; the harmless little grass snakes

Bad ones = The 5'4" diamondback rattler in my Mom's backyard a few years ago; the coral snake caught slithering into my barn about 6 months ago; the pythons ravenously eating many of the birds and small & medium-sized rodents and mammals in the Everglades; the water mocassins we have in many of our lakes where we like to swim, waterski, and fish.

The good ones are welcome on my property anytime. The bad ones though...nope, sorry for your fate.
 

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