lol. i'd use this one if i were a supplier: Moneybookers.com - Send Money - Receive Money - Online Payments - Money Transfers
PAYPAL is shutting down e-cig companies
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Thats the one most Irish sites use, will take debit cards unlike PP.
Be careful on that one. Most of the world outside of UK and US outright banned the bloody things in response to the FDA's initial biased spun report. Not that I'm angry about it
No! Please don't do this. If an e-cig company is accepting paypal, they are doing it under the radar and probably want some discretion so they don't get shut down. Making a public listing would just get them shut down that much quicker.
I hate PayPal. I switched over to Amazon Payments two years ago. It's pretty much the same thing, but without all the BS. I wish more people on the classifieds were willing to use it or that I could get a "verified member" status with it. I'm certainly not going to trust my money with PayPal. I don't like the company. I don't like how they deal with the FDA. And I don't like how they treat their buyers and sellers.
found this image after the FDA called me on an ofer I bought online from a bodybuilding store....."yes, I didnt use said product and flushed it down the drain" :yeahreet:!
Only because a company called Moneybookers will also close your account (they're not even nice about it as PayPal is) instantly if you even have a link or a advertisement to an e-cig site. They are a second rate wannabe competitor to Paypal, and they dont' even bother to warn you or restrict you. Their decision is final. They are a big player in Europe however. So many people lose their online business, and their way of supporting themselves for being silly enough to want to help people get more healthy.
I admit times like these really depress me. So many folks who are supposedly "anti-smoking" are in fact helping big tobacco out by taking this wonderful option away.
This is very possibly a part of their strategy. They pose as "concerned citizens" and complain to companies that someone is selling cigarettes to their kids. So ISPs get scared and close down web sites or hosting accounts, advertising companies close their accounts with you, search engines kick you out. And even EzineArticles, who supply content for many a dubious subject, has lumped e cig vendors in that group that includes drug dealers, terrorists, and nuclear materials traders. Yep, mention e cigs in an article and you're toast.
So how long before this happens to even our refuge of freedom here on ECF? I hope the admins, or organizers of this site pre-empt this by making sure their ISP is aware of the truth of e-cigarettes. That might not even help though when a "concerned customer"(with a Big tobacco pin on his chest) complains that they are hosting a site that harms public health and are liable to lawsuit.
The only two weapons we have here are information and our numbers. And by numbers I mean using our wallets and power of choice as consumers to boycott companies who are spreading misinformation or just being lazy in finding out the truth, or are bowing to pressure from unscrupulous lawyers or government (Big tobacco) agents.
No I don't have any evidence that this is all one big "conspiracy" by Big Tobacco, and I'm not even sure that I think so. The reality shows that it is possible and plausible though, and if you were in charge of a Big Tobacco company, what would you do?
One thing I am sure of, is that if we don't start acting as a group, a very large group, we will soon ALL be legislated into criminalhood or incarceration. And for me spending over 40 years as a tax paying, law abiding citizen, this makes me livid to be blunt. To want to take me away from my family for having the audacity to want to live longer!
There is very little to delineate government from tobacco companies in this battle. Both are protecting their money and will do anything to do so, even at the expense of our insignificant (to them) lives.
Sad thing is, I don't think this will happen (organising as a whole collective), so I am going to have to divest myself of anything to do with promotion or advocating electronic cigarettes. The stock I have will last me a long time, so I can be like a lot of vapers out there who just want to look out for #1, and slink back into the shadows and vape in private until I get tossed in the slammer. (explanation: I'm an expat American,and where I live e-cigs were banned two days after the FDA published their original findings)
As recent history has suggested, many people are content to let their freedoms slip away without a fight and by choosing this course of action, deserve the results. That could never be more true in this new smoking war.
But I personally am not going to pay such a high price any more. Not until I see that vapers are serious about protecting their freedom of choice for tobacco harm. Tossing a few bits to CASAA is just not going to cut it.
Slightly meandering unintentionally off top rant finished lol
I hate how big companies put up a front like they are doing something good or healthy when the reality is they dont give a crap about people and everyone knows it anyway
I used pay pal for a purchase a couple of weeks ago and no problems here. They want their share of the money just like everyone else. The only reason were having trouble for vaping is the Gov, and cig manufacturers are losing money.
If every vaper out their donated $10 we'd have enough money to bribe someone too...........
If every vaper out their donated $10 we'd have enough money to bribe someone too...........
For the suppliers having PayPal issues, I'm in contact with a credit card company trying to get approval for e-cig stuff in US.
Message me if you are interested in being on a list I'm turning in. My idea is if they get enough business, they may allow the transactions.
Message me if you are interested in being on a list I'm turning in. My idea is if they get enough business, they may allow the transactions.
So how often do people have problems using paypal through this website?
In the process of getting verified incase I ever want to sell an unused product or what have you, then I stumbled across this thread.
In the process of getting verified incase I ever want to sell an unused product or what have you, then I stumbled across this thread.
no problem from this site for me.
when buying from the classified you are sending paypal payment to an individual and it's just marked a "goods" or "service". The main issue with paypal as I understand it is they will not allow an actual e-cig or e-cig related businesses to do secure enterprise transactions. if I were to buy device from somone from the classifieds, for all paypal knows I'm paying for the "service" of you shipping my a battery and a metal tube...
I have recently made 3 purchases from these here classifieds without issue.
when buying from the classified you are sending paypal payment to an individual and it's just marked a "goods" or "service". The main issue with paypal as I understand it is they will not allow an actual e-cig or e-cig related businesses to do secure enterprise transactions. if I were to buy device from somone from the classifieds, for all paypal knows I'm paying for the "service" of you shipping my a battery and a metal tube...
I have recently made 3 purchases from these here classifieds without issue.
If they find that the purchase was for e-cigarette related goods, they will hold the funds and in a couple cases this has been lost money. I don't understand why anyone would support paypal after the position they have taken. To be a member of the vaping community and still use paypal, to me, is very strange. I cancelled my paypal account (which was active for nearly a decade with thousands of dollars in transactions) along with the reason being due to their stance on e-cigarettes was my only real option. Dwolla is a much better alternative imo
Paypal stinks in so many ways. This is just the tip of the iceberg. I refuse to have anything to do with them. I would like the three thousand bucks back that they owe me although I know I will never see it. Evilbay/payscam should be boycotted by everyone. They have basically created a monopoly in several areas and they don't give a dang about their customers at all. Over the years I have paid tens of thousands of dollars in fees to both of these and they both turned around and stabbed me in the back.
Thanks for the warning Theken! Much appreciated. I too have an account with them for other things but certainly didn't know this.
They shut me down years ago because of ecigs.
My wife signed up so she could buy some eBay crap, 1 month later they shut her down even though she did nothing wrong (other than association with me).
She called them, they won't tell her why they shut her down.
I tried several credit cards to buy eBay or other things, as a non member. None of them are "allowed".
I guess they spent many hours "hunting me down" to not allow any transactions from me or even my wife.
Simply amazing and totally uncalled for.
Bottom line, don't use PayPal for anything....NOTHING. I'd be very careful with them as they can lock your account and likely steal cash from you also.
There really need to be a PP boycott....wishfully thinking.
My wife signed up so she could buy some eBay crap, 1 month later they shut her down even though she did nothing wrong (other than association with me).
She called them, they won't tell her why they shut her down.
I tried several credit cards to buy eBay or other things, as a non member. None of them are "allowed".
I guess they spent many hours "hunting me down" to not allow any transactions from me or even my wife.
Simply amazing and totally uncalled for.
Bottom line, don't use PayPal for anything....NOTHING. I'd be very careful with them as they can lock your account and likely steal cash from you also.
There really need to be a PP boycott....wishfully thinking.
Which countries and which companies????? It doesn't tell us anything if you are so vague....!
Only thing I've ever used paypal for was to donate to forums I feel deserve donations. Wouldn't be able to donate without paypal.
I had no idea about the issues with e cig stuff. That sucks.
I had no idea about the issues with e cig stuff. That sucks.
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