2nd Edition Cartomizers - Won't sell to US now !!!

[v1John]

Ok, I did notice a little stuff around the cup, but I ordered these blank, and they have absolutely no smell. No vitamins no plastic, no manicure, no glue no nothing, it's been about 25 minutes so far and good vapor, but I think I'm starting to notice the missing analog-like warmth. There is some warmth, but I think it's definitely cooler. I think I could really like both.

Right now I'm using it on its intended 4.2v kr808d1 battery.

Turbo, would you like one?
who else?

Remember tho, these do appear to have something around the cup, but for some reason so far it absolutely not a problem whatsoever.

 

[v1John]

I think the throat hit on the 2.9ohm is noticeably less, but not bad. Great vapor too.
I'm using e-liquid's ry04 vg. That could mean that with their pg or peg the throat hit may be really stronger?

Turbo, if you pm me your address I can send you one.

Anyone else? I can give away a few.

I can send out a few more. badkolo, I'm sending you a few for the few ones you sent me while my order came in. nav, you already have them I'm guessing, right?

 

[naviathan]

Ok, I did notice a little stuff around the cup, but I ordered these blank, and they have absolutely no smell. No vitamins no plastic, no manicure, no glue no nothing, it's been about 25 minutes so far and good vapor, but I think I'm starting to notice the missing analog-like warmth. There is some warmth, but I think it's definitely cooler. I think I could really like both.

Right now I'm using it on its intended 4.2v kr808d1 battery.

Turbo, would you like one?
who else?

Remember tho, these do appear to have something around the cup, but for some reason so far it absolutely not a problem whatsoever.

Interesting, I find my 3.0 Ohm cartos to be a bit warm on the intended batteries. I have run into one carto so far that had a problem and didn't heat up much at all. I chucked it and pulled another one that was fine. Seems like a fluke.

 

[v1John]

U P D A T E


The prefilleds that I was sent earlier incorrectly
do have a strange flavor compared to the ry04 that I filled myself in the blanks I got today which have no problem.

I wonder if the problem only occurs in the prefilled/pre-primed ones as a result of stuff not curing properly? !


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adding: This whole deal could just merely be a simple waiting problem at the factory...unless you order blanks (and NOT primed) ?

 

[Turbo]

Turbo, would you like one?

Thanks 'v1', PM sent.

 

[Quick1]

I think, aside from keeping the inner cap in place during filling, the glue was intended to keep people from pulling the apart to protect the design.

What? If you mean the cap is intended to seal off the top of the resevoir so the juice only enters the cup via the wick, then I agree. As someone mentioned earlier the caps get loose with repeated removal and replacement. If the cap doesn't seal against the top of the resevoir and cup then it's going to leak.

Unfortunately, since they have been pulled apart an unnamed company has already copied the e2 at the request of a US company that will also remain unnamed. There are some legal issues ensuing due to patent infringement.

[PR note] "Unfortunately"? How? This could be the best thing ever for the consumer. and you wonder why people think you're promoting the company? Do you think it unfortunate technically? or financially? I'm not a stock holder so I'm not so interested in the financial part.

Badkolo has been told the same thing I have, the glue is changing soon to something that is more heat tolerant and doesn't have the smell. I think hot glue would be better as it is more heat tolerant

It's not named "hot" glue for nothing. You heat it up to make it liquid so it flows? Now that I think of it, a hot glue gun might make a really good PV requiring only a little bit of modfication You already have a resevoir, heater, liquid path...

and I don't think it would break down in the liquid, but there's probably a better glue out there and I'm sure they're accounting for this.

You think it's breaking down in the liquid now?

I don't understand why you guys think these are tinkerers cobbing something together on their hobby bench in the basement. They have real live hardware, mechanical, manufacturing engineers. They know what the material properties are of the stuff they're using. They test them in the actual application. You need to get a grip on the fact that their e-cig stuff is a multi-multi-million dollar business. The point is that a fraction of a cent per part makes hundreds of thousands of dollars difference in the profit margin.

All of this should be ironed out soon and hopefully we'll see the perfect E2 cartos.

Even more perfect than the last perfect ones and the perfect ones before. How about just calling these prototypes?

[PR note] Maybe it's just the way you phrase things that's getting you your bad rap. "All of this should be ironed out soon"...
How do you know that? Why would you say that? Don't you agree it sounds as if you're speaking PR for the company?

We know they're working on it. We know they're cranking out revision after revision. This is where I think copy cats could be a huge benefit. A little competition might inspire them all to take bigger steps. Right now it seems like "Let's move the bar a minimal amount and see if they'll buy this one. If they don't like it we'll still be able to move the stock from this run before or with the stock from the next one so there isn't much risk"

Why do you insist that I'm pulling PR for this company?!?!?! Honestly I don't get it?! I haven't said anything any different than badkolo has, yet I'm the one doing PR? Really? Come ON!

Lol, ummm, well... Actually, it now looks like you've been promoted and have a whole PR department with Bad and Banjo as project managers. Whether it's that way or not it can have that appearance. It's like a cheer leading organization. Practically every single post has some sort of non-technical rah rah for the company or excuse for stuff that happened.

I'm guessing there are a whole lot of people who tried these and didn't like them but aren't going to post up because they're going to get piled on by you and your department. "You obviously didn't try hard enough or did something wrong that we've already told you how to fix. Everybody else thinks they're perfect. Answer these 13 interrogation question and we'll tell you how you screwed up".
You haven't noticed that you guys refer to yourselves as "we"?

Yes, I can imagine that it may just be a case of seeing something that you would really like to see come to market and promoting it solely for that reason.

Feel free to jump on me, I can take it .
Pre-emptively,
I REALLY like this idea/design.
I REALLY want to see these if they can be made to work more generally and if the final product can be manufactured consistently for a reasonable price. No, I doubt these will be the holy grail now and forever more. I expect there will be new unimagined advancements in the future but it's always nice to see things moving forwards.

I just find the apologizing for the company, the positioning of the company as if they are doing us some sort of humanitarian favor and that we should support their efforts by investing in their R&D and sucking up their business costs; in what's supposed to be an unbiased discussion thread a bit out of place.

And how come, after ALL our hard work in R&D and as testers, they can't seem to see their way to kick back just a little bit and become supporting supplier/vendor of ECF?

we love you, lgd

and value your disclaimers but please remember nav is kind of sensitive when it comes to the pr issue,

well... if it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck... (no, not that duck -- lol, I crack myself up )

Nav, you might have no vested interest in the company at all, but it seems more than a few have gotten that impression. I would suggest looking at how that happened. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. but saying "Honestly, I just don't get it" sounds disingenuous.

What's wrong with the simple silicone caps like in the KR808? No glue, no need for a needle. The extra long silicone mouthpiece can hold the other cap in place to prevent leaking (which it seems like it does anyway). Why complicate it more, or am I missing something?

The inner cap has to seal the top of the resevoir and isolate the juice from the cup so the only path for the liquid into the cup is via the wick.

I think if it were a soft rubber compression gasket like you suggest it might be prone to being replaced improperly and/or compressing over time to where it didn't seal. If it was really soft making it really easy to get out and back in it would be easy to wrinkle it or have it stick to the side of the tube or have it catch on an edge pulling up one side, or squished in crooked, etc.

If it were firmer material then it would be harder to remove and replace and more prone to compress over time and become ineffective.

Having a bunch of specialized tools and the skills to use them wouldn't work for a consumer product... people can't even handle the needle...
So that's probably why they glue them in with it sealed.

 

[v1John]

Quick1, the liquid pathway is not far from ruined, because now the slots are wider.
I mentioned already that the wicks have their own hole. It was the wick hole 'alone' which could have been enlarged (if even necessary--remember, the problem was actually a tight coil). The slots are probably only to insert the wick and nothing more, but now they're wider and it may have not been necessary.

Either way, they are revised, and they're working perfectly, I just can't fill them to the brim, and should not remove the cap lest it may bend the cup flaps during replacement. But they're operationally good.

 

[badkolo]

Quick1, the liquid pathway is not far from ruined, because now the slots are wider.
I mentioned already that the wicks have their own hole. It was the wick hole 'alone' which could have been enlarged (if even necessary--remember, the problem was actually a tight coil). The slots are probably only to insert the wick and nothing more, but now they're wider and it may have not been necessary.

Either way, they are revised, and they're working perfectly, I just can't fill them to the brim, and should not remove the cap lest it may bend the cup flaps during replacement. But they're operationally good.

the first 7 hole e2, some of those have no slits and the tiny holes they where in was pinching the wick to much, thick juice had no chance.

at the same time the slits shouldnt be that wide either or else you let juice seep in.

on these new ones you received today, if they have no smell and work as they should then i guess they work as intended. I informed them about that stuff around the cup and lets hope they listen.

 

[BanjoMan]

Quick1: Wow, I can't believe I actually read all that. Nice multi-quote work.

I think Nav and badkolo see something new and potentially market-changing and are just excited about the development of the product. A little over-excited? Maybe, but at least they have the product in-hand and are willing to give their opinions and answer questions.

As for me? I'm done with this thread. If even one person doesn't think they're getting an honest opinion from me then any further posting on the subject is just a waste of time. I'll continue to monitor the discussion but going forward I'll keep my opinions to myself.

 

[badkolo]

Quick1: Wow, I can't believe I actually read all that. Nice multi-quote work.

I think Nav and badkolo see something new and potentially market-changing and are just excited about the development of the product. A little over-excited? Maybe, but at least they have the product in-hand and are willing to give their opinions and answer questions.

As for me? I'm done with this thread. If even one person doesn't think they're getting an honest opinion from me then any further posting on the subject is just a waste of time. I'll continue to monitor the discussion but going forward I'll keep my opinions to myself.

Banjo , everyone on this thread has respected and trusted your views on this subject, just hang tight, dont let quick1's harsh judgements steer you away.

We actually got to play with these things, good or bad we told it like it is and yes we are excited becuase they work so thats that.

We have stated the faults and the positives, we have stated some work some dont, we have stated the older versions had issues and we have stated that they have bad pr which they have slowly tried to improve. I understand quick1 loves to float over the negative and thats all cool, we all have the right to our opinions but I nor you should dwell on that.

The members here are adults and can see for themselves that many have stated the working product works, they have also stated the issues these have and would like to see them fixed, My goal is to help with information to get these fixed with a more consistent manufacturing. Once that is complete then they will be ready for mass consumption by the US market.

Im pretty confident they have made the majority of adjustments as of last week which included the glue change, confident enough that i made a crap load of orders in the past few days. I suggest everyone to hang tight and wait for more of us to receive our orders and give our opinions and then take it from there.

Ask yourself this, If these things didnt work((ones with no issues )), would we still be here trying to perfect them??

These people are responding to our emails, they are asking for our opinions, they are trying to listen and make adjustments. So combine working product that needs refinement with a company who is finally willing to listen to improve the product, well, then you have my attention.

 

[tiburonfirst]

As for me? I'm done with this thread. If even one person doesn't think they're getting an honest opinion from me then any further posting on the subject is just a waste of time. I'll continue to monitor the discussion but going forward I'll keep my opinions to myself.

hope you'll reconsider since you are about the only one who can tell us about the 401s.

and here is just my personal opinion and maybe you'll agree: if i could help clarify something and only one person would benefit from my post i still would consider it worthwhile

 

[Quick1]

As for me? I'm done with this thread. If even one person doesn't think they're getting an honest opinion from me...

Sorry. That won't fly. I NEVER even implied that any of you were being dishonest.
Appologetic, yes.
Extreme hype, yes.
"they know about it and that's all fixed and they'll be perfect [in the next revision]", yes.

Dishonest? Is it that you equate PR with dishonest?

 

[badkolo]

here is some stuff for refilling



Product Images for Nalgene® Filling/Venting Closures - United States Plastic Corporation


Replaceable Needle Tip Clear White Glue Plastic Bottle - Wholesale Factory Direct

 

[K24A3]

Ultimately it would be great if we could simply pop off the silicon cap and poor liquid from the bottle straight into the reservoir via a tube or tunnel that runs down one side of the carto. The silcone cap may need to have an extra piece protruding down into the tunnel to seal off the tunnel.

 

[WiηgC¤mmαηdεя]

Ultimately it would be great if we could simply pop off the silicon cap and poor liquid from the bottle straight into the reservoir via a tube or tunnel that runs down one side of the carto. The silcone cap may need to have an extra piece protruding down into the tunnel to seal off the tunnel.

That would be a ideal solution, would take the plastic needle and syringe out of the equation all together, good thinking if they could implement it.

All the best, Happy Vaping,
Wing.

 

[badkolo]

That would be a ideal solution, would take the needle out of the equation all together, good thinking if they could implement it.

All the best, Happy Vaping,
Wing.

with the bottles i showed above all you need is the plastic tube they give you for free, you would then attach the plastic tube to one of the bottle caps in the links above and remove the needle out the equation compltly.

most of us filled cartomizers and our atomizers for driping directly form the bottle and its tip, so all this would be is the same thing but a longer plastic tip. no difference.

 

[br5495]

I did a dry burn on my #1 E-2. Not because it wasn't producing enough vapor, but because my juice began to taste like soap. The wick in the slot had black gunk on it too. Maybe it was wicking less and contributed to the taste change, I don't know.

I did not wash it out. Just flicked it out a few times to be sure it was empty. I used my pass though, not only to save my battery charge, but because it puts out a bit more voltage than the Joye batteries. Smoke began pouring out rather quickly. I released the button about a second after an orange glow was visible through the smoke. Then blew it out and did it again. This was done several times until there was no more smoke. Toward the last, it appeared that part of the coil was not cleaning well. This is caused by ash deposits. Some people wash the ash out at this point, but I didn't. I just flipped it off with the point of a toothpick, blew it out, then did another short burn. This last burn was done to assure that the coil had a nice orange color all the way across.

I also did a cleaning on my #2 cartomizer for the benefit of everyone who washes them out. I brought a pot of water to a rolling boil, threw the cartomizer in, and let it boil for 10 minutes. Then rinsed it under the tap and slung the water out. Then blew the excess water out with indirect air from my air compressor. Normally, this will dry a wick out well enough for the coil to quickly steam the water out, but no so with this one. I think it would have almost run a battery down before the coil gets hot enough to show an orange glow through the black gunk. Once that begins to happen, the procedure is the same as above. Of course, I could have let this one dry out completely after washing, but then I would still be waiting for that to happen.

Note: My pass through worked well for cartomizer #1. It did not work well enough to dry the wick out of Cartomizer #2. My PT has a cut-off time and it does not recover soon enough for this kind of use. Once the wick was dried by another source, it worked fine for the remaining procedure. Also some batteries with cut-off times may not work well for this procedure.

Lord have mercy, these thing go through juice like crazy. I feel almost like a dripper every time I stop and refill.

 

[badkolo]

how are they performing after the dry burns and cleaning.

 

[tardcore]

i agree, br, they do seem to drink the juice pretty quick, but i'm willing to deal with it for the great flavor/vapor/TH these things put out. i'm a dripper anyway, so i'm used to having to refill/drip fairly often.

EDIT: i've rinsed and dry burned my first one (wanted to change flavors but didn't wanna pull another one out of the pack just yet) and it's still working just great.

 

[K24A3]

I have noticed the same, they go through the juice a bit quicker than normal carto's.

Those new XL sized carto's look interesting (double the juice capacity), may give them a try.

Edition 2 XL Cartomizers E-liquid Web Shop CN Cartomizers Edition 2 XL