Buzzlove you hit the nail on the head..... we are funding a war with ourselves basically lol
A bit of a rant over keeping vaping legal and safe.
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Wouldn't it be something if ecigs was straw that broke the camels back? If The powers that be over looked just how many people use this and had no clue that they are waking up the masses to their corruption buy trying to tax and regulate something as insignificant as ecigs? We can only hope!
This is the kind of b.s. thinking pervading our society.
All inventions have come from people tinkering and creating certain risks. Do you know how many people died trying to make an airplane before the Wright brothers figured it out?
The entire reason you even have an ecig is the result of some guy tinkering around in china and figuring it out. The entire reason we have devices and tanks and all the other innovations here is the result of garage level tinkering. The carto tank was developed by a guy here on ecf who basically made the first one out of a 10ml syringe.
I can't remember which founding father said "those who would sacrifice freedom for security will have neither" but it's spot on.
People can and should continue to innovate or tinker at their own risk. That's what freedom is. Shut up with all this noise.
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The concerns expressed here are very real, IMHO. My concerns regarding this subject are nuanced: these governments are getting more and more creative in coming up with ways to part law-abiding citizens from their hard-earned money, over and above what we already pay in taxes. One has to figure that it's only a matter of time before they make a go.
Second, the rapid pace in which this country is turning into a "nanny state", with complete strangers (politicians and activists) are increasingly emboldened to tell everyone what they should and should not be doing, just because they themselves don't like it is alarming, to say the least. They often come under the guise of "looking out for the welfare of everybody", and e-cigs is starting to show up on their radar.
Most alarming to me, however is this: the prospect of big tobacco's entry into the world of e-cigs wholesale. At first, I was okay with this, as I felt that, with their resources and [relative] political clout, it might lend some much-needed legitimacy to the industry. I have since changed my stance on this, and here's why:
The e-cig industry, as it stands, runs at cross-purposes with big tobacco, and [in their eyes] threatens their profit margin. As such, I fear that their entry into the market en masse would seek to dilute the market and the relative quality of the products altogether. We're starting to see this already with the Blu brand, having been taken over by the company that makes Newports. Their customer service is getting worse, the overall quality of their products is hit-or-miss, and the rather insidious tactic of making batteries and cartos smaller so that users have to buy more is plainly evident. It's one of the reasons that --while I like Blu for having helped me leave analogs behind-- I'm looking into other e-cig brands.
Then there's the prospect of the protectionist stance; protecting the analogs while damaging the e-cig brands. We're already seeing this kind of thing with the cell phone, cable, and internet companies.
I hope I'm wrong, but if something isn't done in the beginning, it could very well happen.
Second, the rapid pace in which this country is turning into a "nanny state", with complete strangers (politicians and activists) are increasingly emboldened to tell everyone what they should and should not be doing, just because they themselves don't like it is alarming, to say the least. They often come under the guise of "looking out for the welfare of everybody", and e-cigs is starting to show up on their radar.
Most alarming to me, however is this: the prospect of big tobacco's entry into the world of e-cigs wholesale. At first, I was okay with this, as I felt that, with their resources and [relative] political clout, it might lend some much-needed legitimacy to the industry. I have since changed my stance on this, and here's why:
The e-cig industry, as it stands, runs at cross-purposes with big tobacco, and [in their eyes] threatens their profit margin. As such, I fear that their entry into the market en masse would seek to dilute the market and the relative quality of the products altogether. We're starting to see this already with the Blu brand, having been taken over by the company that makes Newports. Their customer service is getting worse, the overall quality of their products is hit-or-miss, and the rather insidious tactic of making batteries and cartos smaller so that users have to buy more is plainly evident. It's one of the reasons that --while I like Blu for having helped me leave analogs behind-- I'm looking into other e-cig brands.
Then there's the prospect of the protectionist stance; protecting the analogs while damaging the e-cig brands. We're already seeing this kind of thing with the cell phone, cable, and internet companies.
I hope I'm wrong, but if something isn't done in the beginning, it could very well happen.
If you go back and read, and I'm sure you have, I said that people SHOULD keep moving this froward, but we need to keep limits and safety in mind. Just because a battery SAYS it's stable at 10 amps, do we need to push it to 10?? No, this is where it can become dangerous.
My truck engine can go over 6,500 RPMs, but why should I take it TO 7,0000 just because it can? At its limits, it has a MUCH greater chance to fail! If my engine fails, I'm out a ton of cash, if a 26650 fails someone could be without a hand, and or, FACE!
That's all I'm saying! Not that people should stop tinkering, just back off and tinker safely.
My VMAX with a LR Boge or DC carto, can already fill my office with vapor, do I really need one that can fill the whole building??
If we give "big tobacco" ammo to show that these e-cigs are dangerous, with their cash flow, they can wipe out vaping!
We just need to make, and prove, the e-cigs are safe, and that our "mods" are just an expression of ourselves.
Luckily, it was just a small "gas station" battery. Had it been one of the bad boys we're using now (26650), can you imagine what that could have done? Yes, he lost an eye and suffered some nasty burns, but the power of these HUGE batteries we put right up to our face now...?
I'm sure the wheel, and as another guy posted, the airplane, was dangerous back then, but we today, KNOW the dangers! We have computers to simulate anything we can come up with, so these dangers can be limited and refined before production.
I don't think they grasp the fact that hundreds of thousands/ millions of Americans vape and the numbers grow each day.They also think that they need more data to confirm it works........ I can state with great certainty that the vast majority much like myself have tried everything our government states "Works" and failed miserably time and time again to quit. This works PERIOD the government needs to go about it's business and leave us alone, but we all know it won't because some a*#clown is too worried about his or her paycheck to do whats right.
But there was no square or even a oval wheel company standing to lose large sums of money and government to manipulate legislation with If there had been wed probably never have a wheel!
and it took awhile for the breaks also;-)
I beg to differ I just herd a Guest expert on a radio talk show in CA. He said study's show ecigs are less affective than gum or patches. Guess we might as well all go back to smoking this stuff dose not work. Just when I was feeling so much better to. ;-)
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LMAO I actually have peer reviewed studies that show otherwise, but since experts outweigh science and experiments I guess I need to go ask my doctor to give me Chantix so I can have a heart attack or stroke, because surely vaping for the past year hasen't help me not touch a cigarette..... It must have been some sort of voodoo type deal that helped me quit hahahahaha 
The only think they CAN do is choke off the nicotine.
They can't do a thing about the devices because that genie is out of the bottle. People can just build their own.
They can't do a thing about the devices because that genie is out of the bottle. People can just build their own.
WOW! When I first heard/read the report, it was stated as being just an ecig!
Well, I guess my post doesn't look as stupid as some may think!
All the more reason for people to reconsider trying to build these ultra high voltage/wattage mods with sub ohm resistance!
Once the limit has been pushed too far, there's no "edit, undo" in life!
@The Vape Nerd let them try...... The process of extraction is dangerous, and not that easy, but the information of how to do so is public knowledge..... just like everything else if they ban it I will just figure out how to make my own (think moonshine).
WOW! When I first heard/read the report, it was stated as being just an ecig!
Well, I guess my post doesn't look as stupid as some may think!
All the more reason for people to reconsider trying to build these ultra high voltage/wattage mods with sub ohm resistance!
Once the limit has been pushed too far, there's no "edit, undo" in life!
Man we have tons of people out there tinkering and modding and extracting nicotine and diluting high strengths of nic and so on. I've heard of exactly 3 ecig accidents to date. Where is the epidemic of mishaps? Any human endeavor is going to involve some screw ups. Everything is not safe and there's no way to protect yourself from every possible mishap.
If there was some huge epidemic of accidents, I might agree. But there just isn't. Vapers are safe people.
Changed my mind a couple of times from reading all these posts. The most important thing is that we all have a right to our own opinions. Everyone made some really good points. I appreciate all the creative ideas people have had and their willingness to experiment. Brought me right much happiness and probably a lot of you. One thing for sure.... this place is never boring.
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