Although some juices wouldn't qualify for 'halal' because of being mixed using PGA. I don't drink, won't have any alcohol in my house, but I've got a couple juices that have a distinctly liquor-ish smell.
Andria
Am I the only person who has a problem with ppl making juice in their homes?
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Although some juices wouldn't qualify for 'halal' because of being mixed using PGA. I don't drink, won't have any alcohol in my house, but I've got a couple juices that have a distinctly liquor-ish smell.
Andria
And since they disallow WTA, that means that I have to get non-AEMSA juices to get the WTA -- which sucks, since I'm using the WTA to *prevent* going back to much more harmful chemicals, in cigarettes.
I'm not terribly paranoid about my ejuice, to be honest; I'm one of those who seem to be taking a beating around here, who figures that since I managed to survive cigarettes for 39 yrs, the stuff that's in ejuice is probably not going to harm me. But I do agree that self-regulation is much better than Big Nanny sticking her all-encompassing fingers into it.
Really, I have far less of a problem with the gov't wanting to TAX ejuice, than in wanting to regulate it. I can see that the gov't needs to recoup funds that are lost as more and more stop buying tobacco, but they really have no business trying to regulate an industry they clearly know NOTHING! about.
Andria
You and me both Andria 
And as to Recouping Funds -What makes them thing We must bare the Blunt of the burden for their Greed? They keep attempting to (SIN) tax small pods of Americans and drain us dry for their personal gain.
I for one am getting Sick and Tired of it.
And as to Recouping Funds -What makes them thing We must bare the Blunt of the burden for their Greed? They keep attempting to (SIN) tax small pods of Americans and drain us dry for their personal gain.
I for one am getting Sick and Tired of it.
Ignorance about the role of government in establishing regulated industries is appalling.
The regulating agencies always base their regulations upon best practices suggested by the affected industries themselves. Why? Because the government does not have unlimited funding available to do all of the required research independently.
This was certainly the situation 20 and 30 years ago with GMOs. The FDA let the interested corporations fund most of the research and suggest what they believed were needed regulations. All FDA did was double-check the science and issued regulations based upon industry suggestions.
The same thing will happen with e-cigs within the deeming regulations. However, with e-cigs the FDA opened the process to an unprecedented degree to accommodate regulatory needs (or not) of individual consumers and consumer groups.
The regulating agencies always base their regulations upon best practices suggested by the affected industries themselves. Why? Because the government does not have unlimited funding available to do all of the required research independently.
This was certainly the situation 20 and 30 years ago with GMOs. The FDA let the interested corporations fund most of the research and suggest what they believed were needed regulations. All FDA did was double-check the science and issued regulations based upon industry suggestions.
The same thing will happen with e-cigs within the deeming regulations. However, with e-cigs the FDA opened the process to an unprecedented degree to accommodate regulatory needs (or not) of individual consumers and consumer groups.
Regarding the OP. I make my own e-juice in my home under reasonably sanitary conditions. Would I like to buy anyone's e-juice made at home? No way.
I agree, there's some very extreme views here. People sure seem to get worked up about vaping and act like someone is taking their food away.
Dont forget the DOJ. Completely partisan and absolutely worthless as to do the job that it was intended to do.
"This town needs an enema!" : Joker
In a ideal world there would be no cheaters and liars. As has been shown often, It is naive to leave consumer protection to vendors.
As bad as it may seem to many here, some rules and regulations are required to protect consumers. Without them it is a free-for-all and always painful for the unaware consumer that falls prey to false advertisements.
I don't understand the average vaper who is against some kind of protection from ignorance or negligence vendors. The study of Doc. F. has proven that self regulation can not be left to the vendor. Protection of the consumer is it is not really where their their interest is. At least not for the 74% that were caught with easily avoidable harmful chemical compounds in their e-juices. ( Although they declare, profess and proclaim their love, affection and care for their consumers with SAFE premium e-liquids).
A few vapers who do mind vaping those rotten lungs chemicals because they taste good and in their view not as bad as ..... I don't really care and they can go on. But the rest of us want labels on e-liquid bottles that clearly indicate the presence of the harmful chemicals.
So please stop being against the minimal protection we are seaking as you have nothing to gain and we have everything to loose.
As bad as it may seem to many here, some rules and regulations are required to protect consumers. Without them it is a free-for-all and always painful for the unaware consumer that falls prey to false advertisements.
I don't understand the average vaper who is against some kind of protection from ignorance or negligence vendors. The study of Doc. F. has proven that self regulation can not be left to the vendor. Protection of the consumer is it is not really where their their interest is. At least not for the 74% that were caught with easily avoidable harmful chemical compounds in their e-juices. ( Although they declare, profess and proclaim their love, affection and care for their consumers with SAFE premium e-liquids).
A few vapers who do mind vaping those rotten lungs chemicals because they taste good and in their view not as bad as ..... I don't really care and they can go on. But the rest of us want labels on e-liquid bottles that clearly indicate the presence of the harmful chemicals.
So please stop being against the minimal protection we are seaking as you have nothing to gain and we have everything to loose.
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You and me both Andria
And as to Recouping Funds -What makes them thing We must bare the Blunt of the burden for their Greed? They keep attempting to (SIN) tax small pods of Americans and drain us dry for their personal gain.
I for one am getting Sick and Tired of it.
And I share your outrage, that there is something "special" about this consumer product which makes it a target of gov't greed. But as much as that completely pisses me off, I'm also a pragmatist, and a realist, and I understand that they have been used to this cash-flow for quite a while now, and the gov't depends on it -- you saw what happened when they couldn't balance the budget, they shut the whole thing down, and that cannot be tolerated -- as much as I hate it and long for anarchy, I realize that I am as dependent ion the gov't as they are dependent on those tobacco taxes. So if they need to recoup some part of what they are losing, I can, reluctantly, go along with it. But I really would like to see them transfer part of that 'sin taxing' to junk foods that have no nutritive value whatever; they keep hollering about "American Obesity," and it's literally everywhere, all over the place -- that's a far worse public health hazard now, than the declining morbidity and mortality as smokers switch to vaping.
Andria
and so it goes.
now you can get your juice that tastes like this inhaling and tastes like that exhaling.
all due to their blending skills.
or chemistry magors run a muck.
regards
mike
I've been mixing my own for about 3 years. I keep the nicotine in the fridge and a gallon of PG under the counter. It costs me about $1.50/30ml.. I haven't smoked in 4 years as a result. Airborne pathogens be dammed. I keep everything, including myself, fairly clean and have never had any problems.
There are no US suppliers of nicotine base. Almost all of it comes from China or India. Every single drop of e-liquid made by anyone is subject to that fact.
When I started vaping, Chinese NicLiq was all there was!!! We had to trust them and it's a good thing they were upstanding suppliers.
USP grade doesn't mean it came from the US. It means that it meets or exceeds US Pharmacopeia minimal standards. Almost all the DIY suppliers sell USP grade nicotine base as well.
Even Johnson & Johnson, the company that makes the Nicotrol Inhaler, imports from China & India. There just isn't anywhere domestic that makes it. Personally, as long as they meet USP spec, I don't see what's gross about it. If they didn't... THEN I'd be freaked out. Sellers make it exactly the same way that DIYers do. They get the Nic base, PG, VG, and flavors from the suppliers they deem best, then mix and bottle.
Premade e-liquid from China on the otherhand I won't touch. USP grade means the nic base has been tested at some point. Who knows what got put into it after that. At least the GOOD US sellers offer some form of transparency.
***Quote from WizardLabs website: The nicotine base used exclusively in Wizard Labs line of solutions undergoes extraction 5-6 times per year in partnership with one of the providing labs to Johnson & Johnson's global line of NRT products for the assurance of chemical purity, quality control, and reliability.
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No not alone, though there are many more companies making juice in lab environments now than in years past which is good. Back in the day many people figured everyone one mixing in their living rooms..eww
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