there is already a large well known law firm looking for potential victims
of e-cig related injury or harm.
Am I the only person who has a problem with ppl making juice in their homes?
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of e-cig related injury or harm.
The lines of acceptable behavior are starting to get crossed. I have had to delete a couple of posts.
Insults will not be tolerated.
Insults will not be tolerated.
I heard from a FOAF that an ejuice vender was ...... off at a customer for some reason and so thats what he did right in the bottle.
I have a sick sense of humore
I believe industry thrives and customers benefit with no regulation. Just a list of ingredients should be on the bottle thats all we need.
I have a sick sense of humore
I believe industry thrives and customers benefit with no regulation. Just a list of ingredients should be on the bottle thats all we need.
Exactly where I was headed.
Looking? You mean their doors aren't being beat down and phonelines being jammed up with calls?
I just visited a B&M yesterday the used to carry that line. They are/have dropped it over this issue.
Their decision. But, I still don't get the allure to that liquid. Man, I bugged out at how average it was (IMO).
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It was more a matter of dropping the line because of the way they felt it's being handled. The B&M felt like they were lied to and didn't trust the company to be transparent.
Amazing how trust works. Break that trust........
(I've never tried it)
Self Policing.
A way of doing ones part in participating in the safety of ones own life rather than always depending on others to look out for ones own best interest.
A way of doing ones part in participating in the safety of ones own life rather than always depending on others to look out for ones own best interest.
I completely agree! But the FDA is trying to use the few cases of those doing stupid things against all of us. By "stupid things," ok you're right, it might not be the consumer who's at fault -- it might be the B&M who sent them home with a .2 ohm coil and a SurelyThere'llBeFIRE battery. And from what I'm seeing lately, that might be more than a few cases. In that case, absolutely true, it's not the consumer that's stupid, because at that point they don't even know that they need to know more about the thing they're pointing at their face -- but the store should certainly have known, and never sent such a thing home with a newbie. And it might not even be that extreme a case, but still a store providing a newbie with something that's inappropriate -- a friend here on the forum has a Spinner type battery, which I suppose was purchased from a B&M, but when he bought a Kayfun at that B&M, they built a 1.0 ohm coil for it -- if you run a coil like that on a Spinner, either, a) it won't work at all (don't know what kind of protections a Spinner offers); b) you'll get maybe one hit before the battery gives up the ghost, or worst case, c) battery completely dies-dead-kaput, or explodes, or becomes unstable so that they next time a charge is attempted, it explodes. That inappropriate build wasn't my friend's fault, but if one of those things had happened, people would have acted like HE was the stupid one, instead of the store that should have known better.
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I agree 100% that self policing is basic in all of human activities. Proper labeling of ingredients in e-liquids would make it possible for vapers.
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Not being snarky but genuinely curious. What would you call proper labeling? What all would you like to see on labels to make them proper?
Please take into consideration the size of the labels and size of bottles.
The size of the bottles is a good point, however, for those products that require lengthy safety guidelines on the bottle (like pesticides, etc), I've noticed that on smaller bottles, they have a kind of "fold in" thing; you untape a corner and it folds out to show all the stuff they're legally required to put on the bottle.
Not suggesting I want ejuice to go that way, because I really don't think it's necessary, but it is one option, if TPTB decide that ejuice should be labelled as being as hazardous as pesticide is. I know nicotine is often used as a pesticide, but I'm pretty sure it's a *much* stronger formulation than what anyone would vape.
Side note: I used to try killing aphids by blowing cigarette smoke at my roses. It didn't work, I had to get out the poisonous stuff anyhow.
2nd hand smoke might be bad for people, but it doesn't faze aphids. Andria
I can't help but feel like there's something being lost in this whole discussion.
I've been watching this thread, and there seem to be two camps, and this is what I see.
On one side you have those who are highly defensive of any requirements for liquid manufacturers (where I happen to sit ), and on the other there are a few of you who are passionate about it. I feel though that those for such requirements are missing something, the reason others are so defensive, and I base that on the multiple times I've seen posted that some of you 'don't understand why we don't care' about putting ourselves in harms way.
Now therein lies the problem, while there will always be some who just don't care, that is not what is going on here, for the most part. I think everyone on BOTH sides of the fence can agree that it would be nice if all bottles were properly labeled. The issue is how you go about accomplishing that.
Those of you desiring government you intervention to make that happen need to realize the far reaching consequences that has. You NEVER want to invite the government into your life if you can avoid it, because freedom to make choices are taken out of your hands, and this goes not only for this issue but also others, such as family issues and custody.
As has already been stated I believe there would be more financial burden on the little guys so to speak, and those with the power would be big business. Then you end up losing out as a customer, on great product and customer service . Walmart anyone?
Customers are free to and easily can choose to vote with the wallet (which is quite effective), and avoid companies that aren't completely you open about their product. Is there risk involved? Of course, but there would be anyway even with regulations. Maybe this is biased on my part, but I don't know that big corps care anything except the bottom line...
Now the defensiveness, is likely born right now because the vaping community already faces almost certain government involvement, be it through regulations lowering our choice of vendors and thus a watering down of the market, and/or taxes making it more expensive for us to continue vaping vs smoking (and I'm sick of being taxed to death). The LAST thing we as a community right now need is to be fractured. If there's any hope of dealing with govt regulation that doesn't destroy the industry then anyone who loves vaping really needs to stand together.
Be careful what you wish for when you ask the government to step in.
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I've been watching this thread, and there seem to be two camps, and this is what I see.
On one side you have those who are highly defensive of any requirements for liquid manufacturers (where I happen to sit ), and on the other there are a few of you who are passionate about it. I feel though that those for such requirements are missing something, the reason others are so defensive, and I base that on the multiple times I've seen posted that some of you 'don't understand why we don't care' about putting ourselves in harms way.
Now therein lies the problem, while there will always be some who just don't care, that is not what is going on here, for the most part. I think everyone on BOTH sides of the fence can agree that it would be nice if all bottles were properly labeled. The issue is how you go about accomplishing that.
Those of you desiring government you intervention to make that happen need to realize the far reaching consequences that has. You NEVER want to invite the government into your life if you can avoid it, because freedom to make choices are taken out of your hands, and this goes not only for this issue but also others, such as family issues and custody.
As has already been stated I believe there would be more financial burden on the little guys so to speak, and those with the power would be big business. Then you end up losing out as a customer, on great product and customer service . Walmart anyone?
Customers are free to and easily can choose to vote with the wallet (which is quite effective), and avoid companies that aren't completely you open about their product. Is there risk involved? Of course, but there would be anyway even with regulations. Maybe this is biased on my part, but I don't know that big corps care anything except the bottom line...
Now the defensiveness, is likely born right now because the vaping community already faces almost certain government involvement, be it through regulations lowering our choice of vendors and thus a watering down of the market, and/or taxes making it more expensive for us to continue vaping vs smoking (and I'm sick of being taxed to death). The LAST thing we as a community right now need is to be fractured. If there's any hope of dealing with govt regulation that doesn't destroy the industry then anyone who loves vaping really needs to stand together.
Be careful what you wish for when you ask the government to step in.
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We should have some accepted standards, and the label could confirm certified compliance to those.
AEMSA's standards is a good start, although their membership costs are too high for a mon&pop or garage type business.
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Some commonly used ingredients have been indentified as potentialy dangerous and avoidable in the production of e-liquids. They should be listed if present.
We should have some accepted standards, and the label could confirm certified compliance to those.
AEMSA's standards is a good start, although their membership costs are too high for a mon&pop or garage type business.
At least:
Some commonly used ingredients have been indentified as potentialy dangerous and avoidable in the production of e-liquids. They should be listed if present.
Exactly right, because the majority of people are gonna walk into a store and buy their equipment and liquid with the belief its relatively safe, which just isn't always the case, especially when they have no real idea whats in the liquid besides the nicotine their looking to vape.
I agree and that's a big part of the problem. You can walk into a lot of stores and buy whatever you like. Maybe you buy it because it looks nice, the clerk says it's the best, or the latest, or whatever. But you as a consumer have no idea of the power or danger your holding in your hand and in many cases there aren't even instructions on how to use it. Most may just consider because it easily available in the store it's probably for the most part safe to use.
I don't think it's a stretch by any means to expect a label of ingredients to be present along with a warning on the label.
The bottle size is defiantly an problem, however a printed pamphlet along with the bottle could be attached so at least the consumer could read a list of contents, the amount of each ingredient, and chemicals used. Then we at least have a reference to consider if we still wish to ingest it or not.
OMG stupid dumbphone messed up my grammar
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I think the great majority of posts you are refering to were debating Self regulation vs Free-for-all with caveat emptor
Some have mentionned ANTZ, govt regulations, taxes, loss of freedom, loss of small businesses ....etc while making their point. Nobody wishes for govt regulations. Sad, but the current state of affairs, it is probably coming.
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