Am I the only person who has a problem with ppl making juice in their homes?

[skoony]

I know Halo has said a number of times absolutely no ingredient comes from China. Don't know about India, though..

wasn't singling out halo per say.
all ingredients USA sourced has become more of marketing tool with more and more vendors.
regards
mike

 

[DC2]

Robino, with respect I like to respond to your post. All of us can give up smoking if we are truly committed just as others can give up other addictions if they really want to. People including myself vape because we choose to, not because we have to, vaping isn't food or air we need to live.

If you think people vape because they choose to, not because they have to, then maybe you aren't qualified to participate in this discussion.
Because if you vape because you choose to, then maybe you should just stop vaping, and stop bothering the rest of us.

And I say that as one who also "chooses" to vape.
But also as one who knows and understands how important this is to those that don't have that "choice".

 

[Tangaroav]

If you think people vape because they choose to, not because they have to, then maybe you aren't qualified to participate in this discussion.
Because if you vape because you choose to, then maybe you should just stop vaping, and stop bothering the rest of us.

And I say that as one who also "chooses" to vape.
But also as one who knows and understands how important this is to those that don't have that "choice".

That's a bit forceful to say the least.

 

[AndriaD]

If you think people vape because they choose to, not because they have to, then maybe you aren't qualified to participate in this discussion.
Because if you vape because you choose to, then maybe you should just stop vaping, and stop bothering the rest of us.

And I say that as one who also "chooses" to vape.
But also as one who knows and understands how important this is to those that don't have that "choice".

Amen, brother!

My ONLY choice is: vape or smoke. I choose not to smoke... so that leaves only vaping.

Andria

 

[bluecat]

That's a bit forceful to say the least.

Yeah. Agreed.

I am one that chooses to vape. I am not sure how one does not choose to vape.

So I guess today I stop vaping.

 

[DC2]

Yeah. Agreed.

I am one that chooses to vape. I am not sure how one does not choose to vape.

So I guess today I stop vaping.

You may have misunderstood, or perhaps I wasn't clear enough...

If one "chooses" to vape, then choose to do so and enjoy yourself.
But if one "chooses" to vape and then wants to dictate how the rest of us should vape, maybe not so much.

And my comment was only directed at the person I quoted.
Because that person is one who seems to fit the criterion.

 

[DC2]

That's a bit forceful to say the least.

Yeah, but it wasn't nearly as forceful as what I wanted to say.

 

[bluecat]

You may have misunderstood, or perhaps I wasn't clear enough...

If one "chooses" to vape, then choose to do so and enjoy yourself.
But if one "chooses" to vape and then wants to dictate how the rest of us should vape, maybe not so much.

And my comment was only directed at the person I quoted.
Because that person is one who seems to fit the criterion.

Ahhh sorry there.. Yes I have completely misunderstood the quote and answer by you.

My apologies.

I whole heartily agree with you. 85% of the time I do agree with you.. I should have probably listened to myself before posting and said did you read that correctly. I was trying to calm my wife down after one of her student told her to ... off. 8th grader too. I tell her I could never be a teacher because the first kid that told me that would be sent flying through the window and I would be in jail... Sorry I know that doesn't matter but oh well.

 

[mattiem]

If you think people vape because they choose to, not because they have to, then maybe you aren't qualified to participate in this discussion.
Because if you vape because you choose to, then maybe you should just stop vaping, and stop bothering the rest of us.

And I say that as one who also "chooses" to vape.
But also as one who knows and understands how important this is to those that don't have that "choice".

Thank you !!!!!!!!!

I vape because if I wasn't vaping I WOULD be smoking. Lesser of two evils and all that, although I don't consider vaping evil at all. I consider it a life saver in my case.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Thank you !!!!!!!!!

I vape because if I wasn't vaping I WOULD be smoking. Lesser of two evils and all that, although I don't consider vaping evil at all. I consider it a life saver in my case.

You and me both.

 

[Jman8]

You are defending vendors who sell e-liquids that may have higher that established safety levels of chemicals. You are saying that they should not spend the $250 to have those liquids tested and informing their customer of the risks of vaping their e-liquids, BECAUSE IT TASTES GOOD ....

You are saying that they should not indicate it with labeling on their bottles. You say safety is the problem of the customer.

I am saying this as much as you are saying, "please FDA and ANTZ get involved in the market and influence it all that you possibly can."

I'll say it again, this is a recipe for disaster. This is not the world we live in. Caveat emptor only goes so far. IMO, this kind of behavior can only bring strict govt intervention.

On the contrary, this is EXACTLY the vaping world we currently live in. I challenge you to name all the instances where people are significantly harmed from vaping in the unregulated market. Then, 20 years from now, we will compare this to all the instances that people may be harmed in the regulated market. I predict the regulated market will have significantly higher amount of instances.

 

[Jman8]

IMO, it is not for the consumer to have any product certified. It is the vendor's responsibility to inform the consumer of the risks of their product, Only then can consumers make an informed choice.

If you want to vape an e-liquid 'chuck full of Diacetyl' , it is ok with me. All I am saying is that it should say so on the bottle so I don't vape it.

And I am saying go ahead and buy eLiquid from companies that you feel live up to YOUR expectations. But do not require this for all vendors. Doing so, will be a recipe for disaster. Again, I am willing to compare incident rates between unregulated market and any time 1 year after regulated market comes into existence, or later. Unlike you, I'm not neglecting the ANTZ factor. I predict they will have a field day with the regulated market, ensuring that only the largest vendors will survive. We will live in a world where it (legal product) is only made in sterile labs.

And one where the incidents of significant harm to vapers will be higher than what it is today.

 

[twall]

One of my favorite flavors is a vanilla custard that is from an "independent". I don't care if he/she has to shoo roaches away from the vat while making it. It's the most righteous vanilla flavor I've ever tasted.

I'm not shooting for living forever. If I was, I'd live in a bubble and die with dementia. Not much more pleasant a death than anything smoking or vaping will do to you.

"MEH" on the whole "If I am just careful, I'll die at 102 peacefully in my sleep" BS. There are thousands upon thousands of ways to die, and none of them are pleasant. There is also nothing you can do to stop it. So stop being so OCD and enjoy the time you have, rather than fear the end.

 

[Jman8]

Are you a danger to yourself?

The antithesis to OP's inquiry and most relevant question on this thread.

 

[AndriaD]

Thank you !!!!!!!!!

I vape because if I wasn't vaping I WOULD be smoking. Lesser of two evils and all that, although I don't consider vaping evil at all. I consider it a life saver in my case.

+1,000,000!!! EXACTLY!!!

Andria
who's not

because I'm

 

[AndriaD]

One of my favorite flavors is a vanilla custard that is from an "independent". I don't care if he/she has to shoo roaches away from the vat while making it. It's the most righteous vanilla flavor I've ever tasted.

I'm not shooting for living forever. If I was, I'd live in a bubble and die with dementia. Not much more pleasant a death than anything smoking or vaping will do to you.

"MEH" on the whole "If I am just careful, I'll die at 102 peacefully in my sleep" BS. There are thousands upon thousands of ways to die, and none of them are pleasant. There is also nothing you can do to stop it. So stop being so OCD and enjoy the time you have, rather than fear the end.

AMEN!!! I'm hoping to go from a sudden heart attack myself, just BLAM, outta here. So bring on the nicotine!

Andria

 

[Tangaroav]

It is disturbing to see so many refusing self regulation as proposes by the AEMAS. I have not read any valid reasons to oppose AEMAS.

 

[twall]

AMEN!!! I'm hoping to go from a sudden heart attack myself, just BLAM, outta here. So bring on the nicotine!

Andria

There ya have it. The quicker the better. LOL

 

[Mr.Mann]

It is disturbing to see so many refusing self regulation as proposes by the AEMAS. I have not read any valid reasons to oppose AEMAS.

I detect a sleight of hand here. Where do you see "so many refusing self regualtion as proposes by AEMSA"? Refuse our own vendors choices to join whatever organization they choose? Not understanding what you are getting at. I can't remember seeing anyone say they actually oppose voluntary regulations from any of our own organizations. It would seem to me that there have been some (not saying you) that are calling for obligatory regulations, and I am saying who in the bejeezus do you think can make things obligatory? Certainly not AEMSA!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Oh yeah, the death toll is officially at 21 now for GM's faulty ignition switch. What's even more crazy is "[t]he compensation program has received 143 death claims out of a total of 675 injury claims as of Monday... (WSJ)" Ahem.