Are you "addicted" to e-cigarettes?

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Dear everyone that doesn't think they are addicted.

Stop vaping for 24 hours and let me know how that goes for you.

Sincerely,
Nonbeliever.
Already did, for 48 hours in fact.
Didn't care one bit.

But you can believe whatever you want.
Still a free country last I checked.

But honestly, I would love to see people take up your challenge.
I'll bet that a good percentage of them would be surprised at the results.
 
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I tend to trust my own 20+ yrs of recovering alcoholism/addiction over wikipedia. :D

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ETA: I thought curiousJan's definition was very good -- though I've experienced that sometimes "craving" is a physical need for which the brain has no other mechanism to notify you that something is needed -- post-appendectomy, then post-relapse to smoking -- I had NO desire to smoke whatsoever -- but my body had needs that just nicotine wasn't filling -- first I went with cigarettes, but even after coming back to smoke-free a month later, then cravings returned, despite my total lack of any desire to smoke -- WTA fixed it just fine.

Yeah, there's craving ... and then there's craaavvving. I believe my body needs something when I crave foods, such as fish, steak, or certain vegetables. Most of my other cravings are psychological in nature, though.

20+ years recovering addict here too ... I always reserve a little bit of skepticism with respect to wikipedia.
 
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Understand the lack of trust in Wikipedia. ;)
How about the National Institutes of Health?
Addiction
Dependency

That 2nd link says "page not found". But in general I don't trust the medical profession with regards to addiction; they seem utterly clueless compared to 12-step groups -- which are still the best means of overcoming addiction to drugs or alcohol. Doctors just give you other drugs, as if that's somehow helpful -- it's NOT. In general, addiction does not respond well to medical treatment.

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I believe my body needs something when I crave foods, such as fish, steak, or certain vegetables. Most of my other cravings are psychological in nature, though.
I crave pizza all the freaking time.
Like ALL the freaking time.

Same goes for See's Candies.
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That 2nd link says "page not found". But in general I don't trust the medical profession with regards to addiction; they seem utterly clueless compared to 12-step groups -- which are still the best means of overcoming addiction to drugs or alcohol. Doctors just give you other drugs, as if that's somehow helpful -- it's NOT. In general, addiction does not respond well to medical treatment.

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Well, its the Forum software striking again with URL length limits in links
Try this link, go to Section III and look at items 8 and 10.

Hmm.. you're not willing to accept the medically accepted definitions of the terms in favor of what you learned through AA / 12-Step-based programs? What would you consider a definitive source or sources then? Or should we go best out of five? :D
 
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Yeah, there's craving ... and then there's craaavvving. I believe my body needs something when I crave foods, such as fish, steak, or certain vegetables. Most of my other cravings are psychological in nature, though.

20+ years recovering addict here too ... I always reserve a little bit of skepticism with respect to wikipedia.

The reason I was, and still am, utterly convinced that my cravings were simply my brain's way of notifying me that something else was needed was because of how I've responded to smoking cessation with vaping -- I felt as if a 25 lb chain had been removed, absolutely freed from slavery, from prison; the first time around, last Feb, I experienced zero cravings, zero withdrawal, zero discomfort -- it was like, uh, smoking? why would I do that, when I've got this? But after my appendectomy, my IBS went absolutely BONKERS -- IBS does that, with ANY "messing around" with the colon. So even though I had absolutely zero, even *negative* desire to smoke... my brain was sending a different message. As I said, at first I resorted to cigarettes; they tasted foul and burnt my mouth and I had to wash up after every one, to get that stink off my hands... but it got rid of those awful cravings. After a month, I phased them out again, with vaping, and all was well, all was GREAT, I was deliriously happy to be smoke-free again.... and 10 days later, those godawful bone-deep cravings came back. By then, I'd acquired some WTA, so I used that instead of succumbing again to cigarettes... and the cravings completely vanished and have not returned. And now I'm down to .7% WTA in my ejuice, so I'm nearly done with it. YAY!!! :banana:

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Well, its the Forum software striking again with URL length limits in links
Try http://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...ction-......-morphine/8-definition-dependence
Or this link to the topic page and look at items 8 and 10.

Hmm.. you're not willing to accept the medically accepted definitions of the terms in favor of what you learned through AA / 12-Step-based programs? What would you consider a definitive source or sources then? Or should we go best out of five? :D

I believe AA is *the* definitive resource for any drug or alcohol addiction. I've always preferred AA to NA, but I know that some prefer NA -- I just can't abide all that hugging. *ugh* But the 12 steps as set forth in either venue are still the only successful means of treating drug or alcohol addiction. As they always say... it works if you work it. Over 23 yrs for me.

Of course I already know that the 12 steps could do absolutely nothing for my cigarette addiction. Substitution is the only thing that has worked, and not just nicotine substitution, but *experience* substitution -- vaping. Until I tried vaping, I was resigned to being a smoker until I died -- vaping freed me of it, so I don't really give a rat's patootie if I'm still addicted; it's utterly irrelevant. I'm not smoking, and that is what really matters.

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I've noticed that in many cases, some of the most "educated" people don't know what the h... they're talking about.

Want to know about addiction? Talk to addicts, not people with Ph.Ds. I know quite a few educated idiots...

That's why the best rehab counselors are recovering addicts/alcoholics. They've been, done, got the t-shirt, and lived to tell about it. :thumb:

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That's why the best rehab counselors are recovering addicts/alcoholics. They've been, done, got the t-shirt, and lived to tell about it. :thumb:

Andria
Yea they make great rehab couselors until they drink and use again as so many do. We use to call them "two hatters." Hey i got sober, I'm going to become a rehab counselor now...LOL.
 

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Dear everyone that doesn't think they are addicted.

Stop vaping for 24 hours and let me know how that goes for you.

Sincerely,
Nonbeliever.

Already did, for 48 hours in fact.
Didn't care one bit.

But you can believe whatever you want.
Still a free country last I checked.

But honestly, I would love to see people take up your challenge.
I'll bet that a good percentage of them would be surprised at the results.
I actually stopped vaping for four days in September just as an experiment. Although I wanted to vape, I didn't get the same results as when I tried to quit smoking by going cold turkey. No negative results, actually. I know it doesn't scientifically prove anything, but I know I vape because I like to vape, not because I need to vape.
Like many on this forum, I started at a higher level of nicotine (24 mg/ml) and have cut down to 6 mg/ml for the most part, occasionally dropping down to the 0-3 range.
Now, again, this isn't scientific, but I smoked full-flavored menthol cigarettes. I tried switching to "lights" and found myself chain smoking frequently, some days doubling my normal 1.5 pack per day average.
 

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I actually stopped vaping for four days in September just as an experiment. Although I wanted to vape, I didn't get the same results as when I tried to quit smoking by going cold turkey. No negative results, actually. I know it doesn't scientifically prove anything, but I know I vape because I like to vape, not because I need to vape.

My oh my... sounds like the voices of Denial and Addiction. You may need an exorcism and some of them green smoothies that don't taste very nice. ;)

Couple months back I went two days without vaping. I'm curious as to what symptoms I should look for as I think I may have missed them. Does "want to sit back and relax with a vape" count as one? Should I be worried? How does one make those green smoothies anyway? Mine tend to turn yellowish and taste rather nice. Must be doing it wrong. Maybe it's the mango.
 
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I actually stopped vaping for four days in September just as an experiment. Although I wanted to vape, I didn't get the same results as when I tried to quit smoking by going cold turkey. No negative results, actually. I know it doesn't scientifically prove anything, but I know I vape because I like to vape, not because I need to vape.
Like many on this forum, I started at a higher level of nicotine (24 mg/ml) and have cut down to 6 mg/ml for the most part, occasionally dropping down to the 0-3 range.
Now, again, this isn't scientific, but I smoked full-flavored menthol cigarettes. I tried switching to "lights" and found myself chain smoking frequently, some days doubling my normal 1.5 pack per day average.
Only addicts experiment with stopping a behavior. Non addicts never even question their behavior. They never need to experiment with stopping a behavior.
 
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