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If I was rich, I'd submit a Provari P3 and KFL+ PMTA just for fun LOL No harm if rejected because they are not in production anyway LOL
Well if you got the PMTA approved, I imagine someone would produce them again. But please make it a Radius rather than a P3.
 

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Not that my measly cash is anything for Mass to worry about but the state has hit my will not set one toe in for any reason list. The hubby and I were considering a vacation there to take a look around to scope it to see if it is worth hitting the research for retirement list. Its off the list permanently. If they can behave like this on vaping they can and will do it on other things.

Yes I know most people retire south. I plan to retire NORTH.
Nothing worth seeing in Mass for me with their archaic mind set, still can't believe they burned witches there either. Weird state that one! Dark Ages!
 

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I'm not terribly surprised I am a bit surprised that it applies to a single product like a single vape product you better have your receipt especially considering police officials and government and judges are not really that familiar with what a vape product is I can easily see somebody getting their car confiscated for their asthma inhaler. I could see a law like this pertaining to someone who has a trunk full of Vape supplies shiny and new in packages that haven't been taxed because they may be trying to distribute or at least according to the police they would be. The law has a very interesting view of what is considered personal use when it comes to other things so I imagine that would also be applied to vape supplies. But reason I'm not that surprised is because basically in the US the forfeiture laws don't even require that you be charged with a crime let alone convicted. Ith a nod from federal law enforcement ( and this is in reference to Federal each state has their own as well) the police can consider your property your bank account your everything to be ill-gotten gains never ever even have to charge you with a crime and they can seize your property without much you can do about it. I think it was part of the anti-racketeering package but I'm not certain on that one I just know it happens not as frequently as it could but it does happen. And usually they get to keep your stuff or the proceeds. I think they claim the original law was to keep organized crime from being able to flee or from fighting the system but it's morphed into a we don't like you so we're going to take your stuff or we are underfunded this year and we need your boat type situation and I'm imagining that this is just the next step of that. Usually they have to at least say that you have ill-gotten gains.
Keep your receipts everyone, you may have to prove everything you own was purchased legally!
 
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Keep your receipts everyone, you may have to prove everything you own was purchased legally!

That horse has long ago left the barn. But it's kind of stupid. You could have ONE receipt for one thing you bought with tax, and then use that one receipt for a whole bunch of others. This is vape stuff, not handguns. And what happens to all the stuff purchased legally before this whole ban situation? It wasn't taxable or restricted at the time it was bought, which could have been years ago. Just ridiculous!
 

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Nothing worth seeing in Mass for me with their archaic mind set, still can't believe they burned witches there either. Weird state that one! Dark Ages!

New England was founded by Puritans, and that mindset unfortunately still exists here.
 

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Keep your receipts everyone, you may have to prove everything you own was purchased legally!
Thing is the way I read the Mass law receipts wont help. The receipt has to show tax paid. None of our out of state stuff or anything bought before the tax existed will show the tax paid. There is no exemption listed for stuff purchased prior to the tax or out of state prior to the tax.

Edit: I also see no mechanism to retroactively PAY the tax on old gear.
 

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I never keep receipts, I would need another room for all that.
During 2016 I put receipts with the purchase and if it didn't fit in a box etc, I printed them and stored them. I have my receipts digitally printed for this stock up and make hard copies for them. I have all my Provari receipts even from 2011. I guess I am a bit OCD about it.
 

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During 2016 I put receipts with the purchase and if it didn't fit in a box etc, I printed them and stored them. I have my receipts digitally printed for this stock up and make hard copies for them. I have all my Provari receipts even from 2011. I guess I am a bit OCD about it.

I think you are one in a million! I thought I was good by keeping the original boxes.
 

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I think you are one in a million! I thought I was good by keeping the original boxes.
I have all my receipts BUT the are just one big stack and not organized at all. I just have always shoved them in a folder and called it done.
 

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Anyone else think this qualifies as an "ex post facto" law? I'm thinking there's a good argument that it does. Specifically, criminalizing something that was legal when it was done--purchasing vape gear when it was legal, and the past purchase is now considered illegal.
 

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IMG_1231.jpg This was my first Provari and you can see it's an old receipt because I bought cartos and IMR 18350 batts too! LOL actual date is April 2012 not 2011.
 
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Wow. All of you saved all your receipts. I consider myself somewhat of a pack rat, but I never even contemplated saving all that!
I do parttime bookkeeping so it could be that aspect of business work for me. Everything has to be documented with receipts, so I do it for vape stuff too. An easy way to do it is login to your vape shops, go to your orders and print to PDF for a digital copy then hard copy at your leisure :) Or just search emails under "order confirmation" if you still have those notices.
You can also look at your CC statements for vape orders to jog your memory :)
 
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I do parttime bookkeeping so it could be that aspect of business work for me. Everything has to be documented with receipts, so I do it for vape stuff too. An easy way to do it is login to your vape shops, go to your orders and print to PDF for a digital copy then hard copy at your leisure :) Or just search emails under "order confirmation" if you still have those notices.

I don't own a printer. I don't save all the order e-mails, either. I guess I could TRY to track down all the order notices from all the recent sites. Really hoping I don't have to.
 

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I don't own a printer. I don't save all the order e-mails, either. I guess I could TRY to track down all the order notices from all the recent sites. Really hoping I don't have to.
Just check your CC statement for orders, that will tell you who you ordered from. If you used PayPal they also tell you who you paid, so at least you have a list to go by. You can Print to PDF on your computer, there are several free downloads to use. It is just like printing without a printer :) Then save it in your chosen file. Here's Primo a free printing to PDF program, I've used it for years. Nitro's free PDF creator: PrimoPDF
 

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