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mattiem

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Forgive my ignorance but is this a sign that we may not have until August 2018 to stock up?
It is not ignorance on your part. We just can't know for sure. There are several online vendors that will not sell to anyone in Arkansas. The only thing they are not allowed to sell/ship to us is e-liquid but it seems they don't want to take the time to figure out how to tell their shopping cart that hardware is OK so they just won't sell us anything.

You can't know what will happen in your state between now and 2018. :facepalm:
 

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Shelf life ratings are a funny thing. They mean the vendor is confident that the product will last at least that long. They do not mean the product will go bad after that time.

Yeah, those expiration and best by dates can be confusing!
 

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You can't know what will happen in your state between now and 2018. :facepalm:
Thanks, mattie! I need to brush up on my states' position. California was the "leader" in anti tobacco regs back in the 90s so I won't be surprised if we start feeling ramifications sooner rather than later. Although at least we don't have the 40% tax that PA has...I feel sorry for them!
 

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Thanks, mattie! I need to brush up on my states' position. California was the "leader" in anti tobacco regs back in the 90s so I won't be surprised if we start feeling ramifications sooner rather than later. Although at least we don't have the 40% tax that PA has...I feel sorry for them!
Some states are looking at far worse. I'm having trouble finding it right now, but there's some state that's considering 95%, and of course California is taxing vape-stuff now too thanks to Prop 56.
 

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Some states are looking at far worse. I'm having trouble finding it right now, but there's some state that's considering 95%, and of course California is taxing vape-stuff now too thanks to Prop 56.

Yeah, I wasn't happy at all that yet another cig tax passed, which included vaping products.
I'm still not understanding how my buying out of state affects my taxes at the end of the year. Do they expect you to keep record of what you buy and claim those purchases?
 

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I just finished up some almost 3 year old VG and PG that was kept on the tile floor in the pantry.
It was fine and not "soured".

If your VG should go South (or if you are just not wanting to use it)...you can always add your favorite Essential Oil and some distilled water and make a great skin softener.


Chels - tobacco product sales are against ebay and amazon guidelines
 

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Yeah, I wasn't happy at all that yet another cig tax passed, which included vaping products.
I'm still not understanding how my buying out of state affects my taxes at the end of the year. Do they expect you to keep record of what you buy and claim those purchases?


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I'm still not understanding how my buying out of state affects my taxes at the end of the year. Do they expect you to keep record of what you buy and claim those purchases?
Not sure what the law is in CA, but that's exactly what PA expects people to do, and to file a return monthly! On and the penalties for failing to do so are quite draconian.

Needless to say, I have bought nothing vape-related in PA since that tax went into effect on October first.

I do still occasionally buy stuff when I'm at my other place in FL (like now). Mostly 'cause I want it, not because I need it. I finished buying everything I actually need last spring.
 

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Yeah, I wasn't happy at all that yet another cig tax passed, which included vaping products.
I'm still not understanding how my buying out of state affects my taxes at the end of the year. Do they expect you to keep record of what you buy and claim those purchases?
My sister lives in Oregon. She used to order her smokes online. She did it for lots of years. One day she received a sales tax bill. It was several hundred dollars. Fortunately they allowed her to make payments on it. The tax man will find a way :(
 

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Forgive my ignorance but is this a sign that we may not have until August 2018 to stock up?
I just checked amazon. There are hundreds of listings for stainless wire aimed a vapers. (The wire is also used for welding so it's not going anywhere) The word joytech brings up 8,740 listings. Comparable results are found on ebay. There are dozens, probably hundreds of vape related apps on the Android play store. i don't know how to search the apple store but the same is probably true. These companies supply products and services world wide. Are they going to stop offering a significant product catigory because some backward, corrupt, third world nation (like America) might restrict products 18 months from now?

Still I'm putting away some supplies now just for peace of mind but that's measured in hundreds, not thousands of dollars.
 
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Thanks, mattie! I need to brush up on my states' position. California was the "leader" in anti tobacco regs back in the 90s so I won't be surprised if we start feeling ramifications sooner rather than later. Although at least we don't have the 40% tax that PA has...I feel sorry for them!

Not yet anyway. Ca., has not determined yet what the tax on ecigs will be.
 
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Thanks. But why are Amazon and eBay pulling products?

Amazon and eBay are essentially resellers even if the order is fulfilled by another party. As such, they run the risk of potentially being liable for not performing age verification on a sale. So the easiest approach, as it's hardly their core businesses, is to dump them, or at least dump a sufficient number to appear they are attempting to comply rather than face fines and bad publicity if enforcement actions were ever taken against them.
 

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Not yet anyway. Ca., has not determined yet what the tax on ecigs will be.
And that's a tough one because it's going to be a hard tax to collect. i wonder about the experience of states that have had a tax for a while. I wonder how much has been collected and how much compared to the cost of collecting it. How much have vape taxes encouraged DIY in those states? There are a lot of questions that are hard to answer but I'd guess those taxes collect a trivial amount of revenue an put vape shops out of business. Also consider that a tax of say 40% of a $50 botle of 100mg nic is a trivial tax considering it can replace 4 years of smoking expense, $12,000 for someone like me.
 
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Not yet anyway. Ca., has not determined yet what the tax on ecigs will be.
Are you sure? Based on my reading of the BOE's website, it's 27.3% of wholesale, effective April 1, but subject to revision annually at their April meeting, with the new rate becoming effective on July 1.
 

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Are you sure? Based on my reading of the BOE's website, it's 27.3% of wholesale, effective April 1, but subject to revision annually at their April meeting, with the new rate becoming effective on July 1.

You may be right, I hadn't heard that. So everything I buy out of state, I have to keep track of so I can pay the tax at the end of the year, right? But if I'm not charged the tax by the vendor, how do I know what the wholesale price would be?
 

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Massachusetts (proposed) Bill SD.171 seems to be directed at wholesalers

"SECTION 2. Said section 7B, as so appearing, is further amended by striking out subsection (b) and inserting in its place the following:—

(b) An excise shall be imposed on all cigars, smoking tobacco, and electronic smoking liquid held in the commonwealth at the rate of 40 per cent of the wholesale price of such products; provided that, in the case of cigars, this excise shall not exceed fifty cents ($0.50) per cigar. As applied to cigars or smoking tobacco, this excise shall be imposed on cigar distributors at the time the cigars or smoking tobacco are manufactured, purchased, imported, received or acquired in the commonwealth. This excise shall not be imposed on any cigars or tobacco products that (i) are exported from the commonwealth; or (ii) are not subject to taxation by the commonwealth pursuant to any law of the United States. As applied to electronic smoking liquid, this excise shall be imposed on the wholesalers of such products at the time the product is purchased, received or acquired for retail sale in the commonwealth in accordance with such regulations as may be promulgated by the commissioner."
 

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