Are you done stocking up?

[Alien Traveler]

You very best bet is to order smaller bottled base, sealed with Argon, say 125ml rather than 250ml, and 250ml rather than 500ml. Once the bottle is open, oxidation goes much faster.

If you have larger bottles and have to break them down: move from freezer to refrigerator, then after a day bring them to room temp. Re-bottle in to smaller bottles, leave very little BUT NOT ZERO headroom, spray with Argon gas to expel oxygen, and reseal...placing as much as you can back in to freezer.

Argon is an overkill. Not really needed. It is good for wine bottles, especially if someone wants to prolong life of wine in a half-consumed bottles (with a lot of air).
Kurt calculated percentage of potentially oxidized nicotine in bottles filled for storage, and it was negligible. So, argon will not make things worse, but also it will not make things much better.

And there is no need to "multistage" nicotine warming, like moving it from freezer to refrigerator to room temperature. Just remove bottle from a freezer and let it stay for several hours (depends on size of a bottle). As soon as it comes to room temperature you can open it.

Some of my nicotine (the one for longest storage) I keep in 0.5L bottles, takes much less space in a freezer. Will be rebottled when needed.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

While I do believe NN does produce some very high quality stuff. Their prices are very high. 2x the place I plan on buying from. Which will enable me to get much more, but I will have to break down into smaller bottles myself. Since I did not find out about the regulations until much later, I am kind of scrambling and have little funds to do so. While having 2 liters of NN armor would be preferable, people without hundreds to spend on base alone do not have this option. Because there is many things we need to stock up on. Getting 1 liter of nic-select 100mg for 60 dollars is far far more cost efficient than getting 500ml of 72mg for 67.

I'm in the same boat, just hoping things remain as they are for another 3 to 6 months.

Good luck to all of us!

 

[Mowgli]

FDV =?

http://www.fatdaddyvapes.com/shop.html

 

[sc12]

How many of you are snagging extra things based solely on the price, rather than something you know you need or will use?

"But Honey! It was on sale!!!!!"

ug never

 

[Tommy-Chi]

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Wrong.
Suppose in a thin layer of air left in a bottle you have 100 molecules of oxygen. They can oxidize 100 molecules of nicotine. Suppose you have 10000 molecules of nicotine in your bottle of 100 mg nicotine, then in the same bottle you'll have 1000 molecules of 10 mg solution. In each bottle 100 molecules of nicotine will oxidize. As a result 1% of 100 mg solution will be oxidized and 10% of 10 mg solution will be oxidized. So, for our example oxidation of low concentration nicotine (10 mg) is 10 times higher than that of high concentration of nicotine (100 mg). I suppose chemist should know that.

Of course real number of molecules in a bottle is so high I do not even know how to write it (2 ml of water contains 6.022 x10^23 molecules, i.e. 6 with 23 zeroes). But the idea is the same, just more zeroes.

I don't think I was clear on what I wrote, so here goes again.

Lets say we have two different people with two different budgets to work with.

One can afford the 100mg/ml, one can afford the 25mg/ml.

* 2 distinctly different sets of glass bottled nicotine, one gallon in each set.
* (SET A) One of the gallon sets has 8 bottles of 500ml, 100mg/ml bottles.
* (Set B) One of the gallon sets has 32 bottles of 500ml, 25mg/ml bottles.

Now note that the same amount of nicotine is present in the two totally different sets of nicotine.

If we have 10% degradation after 10 years in each bottle, then we still have the same amount of nicotine in both sets A and B.

This is what I said, and this is what I'll stand by without doing any additional calculations because I'm a lazy and I'm not making any money explaining this to anyone.

 

[Magic Of Light]

I'm in the same boat, just hoping things remain as they are for another 3 to 6 months.

Good luck to all of us!

I looked as some proposed tax for my state of ohio on eliquid. Its $1.125 per 1/ml and im not even kidding. So 1 liter, which is as of now gettable for 40-50 dollars, goes up 2500%???? What????

Im unsure what I actually should be getting. Like what about wick/wire? What about just diy replaceable heads for say the protank 2? There is too much uknown considering how close we are to 8/8. The govt is being sneaky.

 

[Magic Of Light]

Here is a link to what I found that tax list on. Vapor Products and Tax Policy

 

[Alien Traveler]

I don't think I was clear on what I wrote, so here goes again.

Lets say we have two different people with two different budgets to work with.

One can afford the 100mg/ml, one can afford the 25mg/ml.

* 2 distinctly different sets of glass bottled nicotine, one gallon in each set.
* (SET A) One of the gallon sets has 8 bottles of 500ml, 100mg/ml bottles.
* (Set B) One of the gallon sets has 32 bottles of 500ml, 25mg/ml bottles.

Now note that the same amount of nicotine is present in the two totally different sets of nicotine.

If we have 10% degradation after 10 years in each bottle, then we still have the same amount of nicotine in both sets A and B.

This is what I said, and this is what I'll stand by without doing any additional calculations because I'm a lazy and I'm not making any money explaining this to anyone.

You repeat the same thing - "10% degradation independent of concentration". It is wrong. Lower concentration degrades more.
Good news - degradation should be really small even for lower concentration.

 

[Magic Of Light]

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You repeat the same thing - "10% degradation independent of concentration". It is wrong. Lower concentration degrades more.
Good news - degradation should be really small even for lower concentration.

I think its more about the rate of degradation. Higher concentration of nicotine molecules will oxidize a mite faster because of the abundance of molecules. At least logically that would be so. How much faster, I dont think anyone could say.

 

[bnrkwest]

I looked as some proposed tax for my state of ohio on eliquid. Its $1.125 per 1/ml and im not even kidding. So 1 liter, which is as of now gettable for 40-50 dollars, goes up 2500%???? What????

Im unsure what I actually should be getting. Like what about wick/wire? What about just diy replaceable heads for say the protank 2? There is too much uknown considering how close we are to 8/8. The govt is being sneaky.

Basics:
Nic
Replaceable batt mods some regulated some mech
Rebuildable tanks & or drippers

Since you have about 20 days left decide on your preferences and start shopping

What I got was Nic on sale, mods I picked Provari also on sale mech's Reo and Nemesis.
Rebuildable tanks I got a bunch but relying on Kayfun Lite plus and Kayfun mini's, I also got drippers just incase.
I have coil building tools and wire but I also got some pre coiled wires to use too.
Oh and a few Pico's too!

 

[schatz]

If I were not in my present situation I would be totally purchasing 100ml nic and stashing away. Save your money down the road to buy mods and atomizers on craigslist or Fastek, 100ml. nic is the only thing they can do away with pretty easily and they will do so, I cannot believe they have let this go on for this long. Thank god for the misguided lack of insight. Buy now.

 

[ScandaLeX]

They get bought up fast. I guess there are a lot of pink lovers...

Actually the pink doesn't always get snapped up fast- depends really on what they have available.
Ughhhh I'm trying to remember who it was that kept count of the blems- the pink went slowly; probably cause we were buying the red. @Katdarling @AstroTurf @ENAUD do ya'll remember who was keeping blem score?

 

[ENAUD]

Actually the pink doesn't always get snapped up fast- depends really on what they have available.
Ughhhh I'm trying to remember who it was that kept count of the blems- the pink went slowly; probably cause we were buying the red. @Katdarling @AstroTurf @ENAUD do ya'll remember who was keeping blem score?

We kind of all played with that, just put the item in your cart, then up the Qty to like 99 and it will auto correct for available inventory. Vape 360 has mentioned that that will not be 100% accurate because of the possibility of "manual" orders could not be immediately accounted for.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I looked as some proposed tax for my state of ohio on eliquid. Its $1.125 per 1/ml and im not even kidding. So 1 liter, which is as of now gettable for 40-50 dollars, goes up 2500%???? What????

Im unsure what I actually should be getting. Like what about wick/wire? What about just diy replaceable heads for say the protank 2? There is too much uknown considering how close we are to 8/8. The govt is being sneaky.

I think nicotine will be the pinch point.

Wick and wire will be here, and I don't think there is a way to tax Koh Gen Do or Cellucotton, or TemCo wire(just to name a few).

 

[Tommy-Chi]

You repeat the same thing - "10% degradation independent of concentration". It is wrong. Lower concentration degrades more.
Good news - degradation should be really small even for lower concentration.

I'm consistent, and I'll stick to my beliefs. No hard feelings. Hugs!

 

[bnrkwest]

Yes it gets down to something to vape, if you use Nic buy as much as you need to vape as long as you need to.
Something to power your vape- mod's you pick what you like with replaceable batts.

Something to atomize your vape- you pick what you like tanks or drippers that are rebuildable or buy a ton of replaceable coils if you go that route.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I think its more about the rate of degradation. Higher concentration of nicotine molecules will oxidize a mite faster because of the abundance of molecules. At least logically that would be so. How much faster, I dont think anyone could say.

In closed bottle there is limited number of oxygen molecules, only that number influence amount of oxidized molecules of nicotine. Rate of oxidation means nothing for long term storage.

 

[Katdarling]

Actually the pink doesn't always get snapped up fast- depends really on what they have available.
Ughhhh I'm trying to remember who it was that kept count of the blems- the pink went slowly; probably cause we were buying the red. @Katdarling @AstroTurf @ENAUD do ya'll remember who was keeping blem score?

Sorry, Lexi, but I do not recall the blem score keepers.

 

[Iron Molly]

should/do all mechs need kicks? if yes, do you happen to know which ones would work on the noisy crickets?

I don't think you could put a kick into a noisy cricket. They are for tube mods using one battery.

I wanted to get a kick for my Becon mod and someone told me (can't remember where) that it would not fit. I'm wondering why now as it's a telescopic mod. I ended up getting battery fuses, but would still have rather been able to use a kick instead.

You can definitely use a kick in a telescoping mod. The only issue you might have is using it with an 18650 battery. The tube might not be long enough to fit the larger battery plus the kick. But you could use the kick with an 18500. Same with tube style mods. Some come with a kick ring, which is a small ring to allow the extra room. If you are a low watt vaper (10 watt and under) kicks are great.

That being said, I've used mechs for a long time without one with no problem. You just have to be diligent about safety.

 

[Fozzy71]

So don't use the mechs when drinking bourbon, gotcha.