I checked my last FT order it should be here in a couple days. My other stuff should be too but two out of country may not be, we shall see.
This is getting to be nuts...
Getting? It's there already.
Blindly trying to comply with unclear/absent rules and regulations. Yup that's nuts. Trying to figure it out is IMO pretty much a waste of time. It doesn't matter what we think they mean. We won't know for sure what the rules are until they start to enforce them. And even then, I wouldn't be surprised if the interpretations changed to suit the goal.
It would be UPS and USPS that requires you to have a license on file to accept a shipment per their rules on shipping tobacco products.
I tried to warn about the FDA clasdifying all vape products as tobacco products because that classification would affect things shipped by UPS, USPS, DHL, FED-EX, Prople living in certain States and more.
The one item I shipped to Austrailia caught by their customs and I talked to customs agent there, said it was not an approved substance in AU. It was a supplement for ill horses, but was actually human grade nutraceutical for human use but I sent it marked as horse supplement. BUT if I had sent it as human supplement it would have passed thru. So wording is everything.
The USPS and UPS rules are in effect because of the federal PACT Act. After reading the PACT Act at least 20 times
a few months ago, I'm convinced it would need to be amended before it included our ecigs, BUT that's yet to be seen for certain. And even if I'm right, there have been isolated reports of postal employees trying to apply the rule to our ecigs without being deemed a tobacco product for several years now so I can easily see some postal workers out in the wild taking it upon themselves to attempt to enforce the rules on our ecigs after 8/8/16.
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Again, it boils down to "intended use". Just because there's a flashlight head with the mod doesn't mean the FDA will not nail it as a tobacco product. Especially as 510 connections are not common for flashlights.
People need to realize the FDA cast as wide of a loop as possible to cover loopholes. The flashlight theory just won't wash in most cases.
Congrats that means yoy are sane
They're Bureaucrats. Thats what they do. Pass laws for people like us have to live by.
I have been begging people to prep for 13 months.
A LOT of people prepped, and I am glad they did. Now they can vape for YEARS.
Vaping saves lives including mine! some idiot Bureaucrats may have done it.
Thanks to tge unholy trinity (big tobacco, big Pharma, and the FDA. Then there are States greedy for tax money.
Once 8/8 hits our vape is deemed tobacco product, so USPS as a fed agency can indeed stop shipping. Some may slide thru but some maybe flagged. I worked for USPS years ago, they watch things and I can just imagine they have already gotten notices. I will ask my carrier after 8-8 what the latest scoop is.The USPS and UPS rules are in effect because of the federal PACT Act. After reading the PACT Act at least 20 times
Yes, all sellers of ecigs "within" the US, once the deeming order goes into effect and they are tobacco products will need a tobacco license. That's one thing every vendor should have been able to figure out without any problem. Yes, I know, many don't know.
I have been charged taxes and duties several times. It was always by UPS.never the USPS, DHL, or FRD,-EX. Always it was a mineral specimen from Israel, Czhek Republic, France, UK, etc.
The US SNAIL has my last Fasttech parcel. Hope i get it.
Now you understand why i have been so passionate about telling users to hope for tge best but prep for tge worst just in case.
I believe the black market will show us that the FDA is even less effective than those 'protecting our boarders' .
in the meantime...........boycott with your wallets and mouths.
technically I don't 'have to have more stuff'.. I would just like to expand my stash a bit more from a hobby stand point. I tried to convert smokers to vaping,, some did,, some didn't..... at this point that is on them not me. all I can offer them going forward is my boycotting/verbal support. and no I don't feel bad about it.
I became a 'vapor' kind of late in the game.. but I got busy buying stuff.. that 'stuff' was for 2 people,, I did buy stuff for others,,, and because they didn't pay for it,, they have not really applied themselves to convert. soon they may have to chose between: cigs or crap from the gas station or highly expensive stuff at the b&m.
the bottom line,, they are worth more dead to the govt than alive... that's the sad truth and I shared that truth with each of them. our govt cannot afford to pay out all of the social security due in 2035.
the fda has not even bothered to really go after the real cash cow: junk food and soda for taxes......they will eventually. goal here is to keep overweight/diabetic people working until they are 'almost ready to retire'.. then let them die off as they near the retirement finish line.
the health insurers have the most to gain financially becoming PRO vape, less people smoking = more profits in their pockets instead of paying for lung cancer.
vaping is quite a 'mellowing' event for me (nic or not)...........this world could use a lot more mellow people.
but ignorance prevails. -- our fore fathers rolling over in their graves now.--soldiers are fighting for what??? where has America gone?????? its all about special interest groups and a nanny state we have become. if you (speaking generally not to any particular person) need a nanny,,,heck you might be interested in a communist country too.
While I am stocked up and ready to go I hope that the latest news is more hype than fact.
I believe the latest "news" isn't quite accurate. Just because a shipment contains ecig products today doesn't mean that's the reason for inspection/problems of the shipment today. It very easy to come to inaccurate conclusions when we are all so on edge about what's going to happen less then 2 weeks from now.
I am finding the situation interesting because I'm seeing many of those of us that better understand the deeming then most people (including vendors) have remained unaware of the specific regulations/laws outside of the deeming order that would effect our ecigs once they were deemed tobacco products. Or could effect our ecigs if the regulations/law were slightly amended. Importing rules of tobacco products are a biggie and shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone paying attention IMHO.
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