I read some of the USPS statement and it sounded to me like they were saying that they had no way of knowing what was in packages from overseas and didn't sound like they were going to make much of an effort to stop them.
How are you so certain about this? They're leaving it to the discretion of the Postal Service to enforce the new rules however they want. "Reasonable cause" has been used several times in that publication in determining what they deem is or isn't mailable. In accordance with the law, Probable Cause is the next step up from Reasonable Suspicion which is the bare minimum criteria for an act of enforcement to be engaged. On a scale of 0-100%, from completely unsure to without a doubt respectively, they only need to be about 25% sure before reaching Reasonable Suspicion to act, but does not allow them to conduct search and seizure. 33% to 50% for Probable Cause which enables them to conduct search and seizure. Reasonable Cause is likely Reasonable Suspicion with the ability to conduct search and seizure. They're more or less giving the Postal Service full reign on tearing through packages in my opinion.
"The main difference between probable cause and reasonable suspicion is that probable cause means there is concrete evidence of a crime and that any reasonable person might suspect criminal activity. In contrast, reasonable suspicion occurs when any reasonable officer might suspect a crime."
https://www.snelllaw.com/blog/2021/march/what-is-the-difference-between-reasonable-suspic/
https://www.snelllaw.com/blog/2021/march/what-is-the-difference-between-reasonable-suspic/
Spilled coffee on a couple of my Smok Zmax minis and was going to get replacements from VP Distributions, only to find them sold out which surprised me as I'd been checking on them and they weren't selling at all for the longest time.
That made me take a better look at the Smok Telescopic Periscope MOD and realize that it's not a mech, but a regulated mod that I might like better than the Zmax. So I placed an order for probably too many of them in case VP Dist. were going to comply with regs. Shipping was free over $30, but the coupon code doesn't work anymore.
Still vacillating on another liter.
That made me take a better look at the Smok Telescopic Periscope MOD and realize that it's not a mech, but a regulated mod that I might like better than the Zmax. So I placed an order for probably too many of them in case VP Dist. were going to comply with regs. Shipping was free over $30, but the coupon code doesn't work anymore.
Still vacillating on another liter.
Funny - I'm actually not worried about the new Postal reg's at all . . . 
I know I know - now don't beat me up . . .
But I got everything I wanted and or NEEDED months ago that will last me for the next 15 - 20 years . . . Well that is if I live that long . . .
Just Sayin' . . .
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I know I know - now don't beat me up . . .
But I got everything I wanted and or NEEDED months ago that will last me for the next 15 - 20 years . . . Well that is if I live that long . . .
Just Sayin' . . .
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I just told my bro/sil that I'm not going to attempt to ship anymore liquid to them. They are on their own now. I'll have enough for at least 20 years or longer. If I reach a older age and or run out I'll just pick up something local. The wild west of vaping is mostly over..unless you order from across the pond.
I think I'm okay - nothing near what some folks have in their stash - but was hoping to order a few here and there's from FT next pay period. Might go ahead just to see what happens. I've been seeing a few things that have been sold out or discontinued coming back into stock.
Funny - I'm actually not worried about the new Postal reg's at all . . .
I know I know - now don't beat me up . . .
But I got everything I wanted and or NEEDED months ago that will last me for the next 15 - 20 years . . . Well that is if I live that long . . .
Just Sayin' . . .
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I've been Fully Self-Sufficient since early 2015. So Yeah... None of this Effects me. Not in the Least.
But these are the type of People I Really Feel Sorry for. The Ones who are just now trying to Quit.
And the Countless Others who will have a Much Harder Time succeeding as we move forward into this THR Restricted Market.
Thanks. I had no idea. I did so much research in this forum before buying any 18650, I think I'd never buy any other brand than those I already have, to avoid doing all that research again. I wanted fuses because I saw a PBusardo video in which he said something like "always add this for safety first" (showing a fuse), before demonstrating the Bolt mod, which is what I bought quite a few of.
Consumers can still ship to each other. But there are rules and if you follow those rules shipping will be about $30 lol. See the first post on the vape mail ban thread for details on current published rules and a link to read them yourself.
Honestly though. If you are shipping a few small bottles at a time and just label them as "food flavoring", there really is no way they would know. Technically you are supposed to tell them if there is a liquid in the package, but if you wrap t really well with lots of padding, I would not even bother to tell them.
And by the way, if you print your own postage online, you will never have to even face a postal worker. You can either set it up for a free pickup or you can drop it in a big blue mailbox (if you do this, you have to make sure your package is small enough, otherwise you'll have to go into the post office and hand it to a postal worker at the counter. But in my Post Office, they never ask questions if postage is already prepaid. They just take the package, scan it and give me a receipt to prove they have possession of it).
I never said that the packages would be sent legally. There would just be far too many packages sent from China, with retailers like Amazon, Alibaba, Ebay, etc., all shipping packages, for each package to be searched. A few will be confiscated, but the vast majority will get through. It will even behoove the Chinese retailers to replace the ones that get confiscated, although they might not. They have been ignoring the adult signature requirement.
I'm breaking the apron strings and I'm assuming they can buy their own e liquid locally. I feel bad but I cannot take the chance of getting busted. I have been footing the bill on coils, mods and liquids for a long long time. I think I earned my freedom and I sent the link to the usps ban of mail.
Funny - I'm actually not worried about the new Postal reg's at all . . .
I know I know - now don't beat me up . . .
But I got everything I wanted and or NEEDED months ago that will last me for the next 15 - 20 years . . . Well that is if I live that long . . .
Just Sayin' . . .
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Right there with you, Uncle. What I have will either be enough, or it won't. I'm long past worrying about it. I've spent years stocking up and worrying about it. That's enough. There are far worse things happening right now to worry about.
Well then I don't blame you. The USPS ban gave you a way to cut loose. Send 'em one last package with an apron in it lol
I hit that point more than a year ago. I have been enjoying putting the cash I would have put into vaping supplies into other things like getting my floor loom up and working (amazing how many parts can get lost after 2 really bad house moves).
That’s very generous of you to have done that. I don’t know that I would have. I don’t mind helping someone out but long term supplying them is a bit much.
Well I think it's pretty safe to say that the day is finally here, the day many of us were preparing for.
Forget PMTAs, what a hassle it will be to buy vape online. Even if you'd be able to buy anything but cigalikes and other closed systems, X delivery service will be delivering so you have no option to hold for pickup at the USPS, UPS or Fedex. Therefore you absolutely have to be there when it comes so you can sign for it. I believe there will be no second delivery attempt. Even if there is, god knows when it will be and you'll still have to be there to sign for it. And this is assuming that X even delivers to your area.
I'm so glad I don't have to worry about any of this. I have this thread to thank because I was away from ECF for a good while and when I came back I almost immediately saw this thread and that's the reason I stocked up on nic. I already had enough hardware that might have lasted me another 10-20 years (hard to say), but I bought more because I didn't like a lot of what I had anyhow and you can never have enough lol (I bought almost everything I bough on super clearance so it wasn't a huge financial strain). But ultimately, it was the nic I was lacking since I never DIYed before and never wanted to (bought all my juice from heartland in bulk before this). But due to my simple tastes in vaping flavors, it's very easy for me to DIY with minimal hassle. I don't have much regret in not DIYing earlier since Heartland bulk juice prices were always not enough to put much of a strain on the wallet. Not as cheap as DIY, but pretty damn cheap lol.
Anyhow, crisis avoided! Wheeeeew!
Forget PMTAs, what a hassle it will be to buy vape online. Even if you'd be able to buy anything but cigalikes and other closed systems, X delivery service will be delivering so you have no option to hold for pickup at the USPS, UPS or Fedex. Therefore you absolutely have to be there when it comes so you can sign for it. I believe there will be no second delivery attempt. Even if there is, god knows when it will be and you'll still have to be there to sign for it. And this is assuming that X even delivers to your area.
I'm so glad I don't have to worry about any of this. I have this thread to thank because I was away from ECF for a good while and when I came back I almost immediately saw this thread and that's the reason I stocked up on nic. I already had enough hardware that might have lasted me another 10-20 years (hard to say), but I bought more because I didn't like a lot of what I had anyhow and you can never have enough lol (I bought almost everything I bough on super clearance so it wasn't a huge financial strain). But ultimately, it was the nic I was lacking since I never DIYed before and never wanted to (bought all my juice from heartland in bulk before this). But due to my simple tastes in vaping flavors, it's very easy for me to DIY with minimal hassle. I don't have much regret in not DIYing earlier since Heartland bulk juice prices were always not enough to put much of a strain on the wallet. Not as cheap as DIY, but pretty damn cheap lol.
Anyhow, crisis avoided! Wheeeeew!
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