Attack of the (Kayfun v4) Clones!

Status
Not open for further replies.

roxynoodle

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Jun 19, 2014
15,344
37,213
Ohio
It's certainly worth a shot roxy. I've only heard good things when people boil their equipment to remove oil residue. And yes, remove o-rings prior to boiling. I've also heard 20 minutes ought to do it.

ETA: I would also remove any plastic parts too.

I'll check the parts diagram but I can't think offhand of anything plastic other than the tank and insulator in the positive block. Anyone want to advise before I do something absentminded (seems to be a problem for me this week :facepalm:)?
 

dwcraig1

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Mar 17, 2012
9,013
49,327
Imperial Beach, California
I'm not sure if this has been answered or solved yet but the issue is actually the piece of delrin that comes out of the 510 connection when removing the 510 pin. I have 4 different versions of the clone and had that issue with two of them. That delrin piece #2 was shorter then the two that didn't have the issue. That being shorter caused part #9 to screw down so tight it would lock everything together. I swapped out that part #2 with ones from my kayfun 3.1s which had a longer thin part and made sure to firmly push those all the way in till they stuck. After reassembly and making everything tight the juice control was smooth as butter. Hope that helps.

Without trying to be disagreeable , this is absolutely not the case. I can't put it any other way.
The square male and square female parts (# 3 &8) must be butted tightly together or there will be a poor ground.
It's not just a matter of screw #9 being tight.
Let me just add, the 510 screw is adjustable, it is not necessary for it to be "tight".
 
Last edited:

KurrptSenate

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 9, 2013
3,091
4,381
PA
I clean all my parts/tanks/etc in the ultrasonic cleaner with diluted simply green. it's organic.

I had a similar issue as yourself with my kayfun 3.1 from hcigar. this way before I got the ultrasonic + simply green combo, but I used gasoline, then washed the gasoline out of that. killed the O-rings but FINALLY killed the machine oil dragon
 

Circa Survivor

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jun 17, 2014
908
796
Omaha, NE
Without trying to be disagreeable , this is absolutely not the case. I can't put it any other way.
The square male and square female parts (# 3 &8) must be butted tightly together or there will be a poor ground.
It's not just a matter of screw #9 being tight.
Let me just add, the 510 screw is adjustable, it is not necessary for it to be "tight".

I finally get what you're saying. I see why #7 can be the problem. Is there a specific order I should be re-assembling A?
 

roxynoodle

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Jun 19, 2014
15,344
37,213
Ohio
I was mainly thinking on the insulator in the posi block (there's one above and one below the deck) as well as the insulator in the 510 screw. Actually, now that I think about it, there is another plastic part in the base. It's part #10 in the exploded parts list.

I can't get my 510 pin out, but I suppose that bottom part of the base doesn't touch the juice anyway so it can stay out.
 

dwcraig1

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Mar 17, 2012
9,013
49,327
Imperial Beach, California
I finally get what you're saying. I see why #7 can be the problem. Is there a specific order I should be re-assembling A?

Exactly as in the diagram with the exception of a shim placed into the square of part #3. Don't assemble any farther till you see that you have it the way you want it.
explosion-kfv45482dcf3ea895_720x600.png

I'm getting ready to put this diagram on the wall in front of me.
 

Raguvian

Super Member
Verified Member
Dec 21, 2014
394
299
Houston
After reading some of these problems that people are having in this thread, I'm nervous to get my clones now. Especially more nervous after seeing that diagram over and over again!

Oh, I emailed Custom Mod Creation updating my address (left my apartment number off the original order). The person got back to me within a couple hours updating the address. He said it'd go out sometime this week. Good news, I guess.
 

Circa Survivor

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jun 17, 2014
908
796
Omaha, NE
Exactly as in the diagram with the exception of a shim placed into the square of part #3. Don't assemble any farther till you see that you have it the way you want it.
explosion-kfv45482dcf3ea895_720x600.png

I'm getting ready to put this diagram on the wall in front of me.

lol ya I got the poster with that diagram with my k4 clone. So you're saying start with the 510 pin and insulator, and assemble everything else on top of that? This thing is more complex then it needs to be @_@
 

dwcraig1

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Mar 17, 2012
9,013
49,327
Imperial Beach, California
I have two type A K4's (black o-rings) coming from FT, I'm to understand that on part #38 the flat spots for air release are not present, I shall put the there.
One will arrive tomorrow and the other on Thursday along with five glass tanks.
Are these from a different manufacturer than the ones from Codevape?
 

dwcraig1

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Mar 17, 2012
9,013
49,327
Imperial Beach, California
lol ya I got the poster with that diagram with my k4 clone. So you're saying start with the 510 pin and insulator, and assemble everything else on top of that? This thing is more complex then it needs to be @_@

Don't even worry about the 510 and it's insulator and insulator with nut, just assemble 3 through 9 and check it, if good assemble the rest.

It really isn't that complicated, it just intimidates the heck out of a person. LOL
 

hoosier83

Full Member
Verified Member
Jan 15, 2014
29
6
United States
My v4 is working awesome so far, well after I got it clean. But my only issue is wicking. I have a 1.2 build on a 3/32 drill bit. Cotton is done perfectly and is resting over juice holes. But I am occasionally getting dry hits. Just seems that wicking can't keep up. This happens even when I'm not using it heavily. Seems to happen when I want a little warmer vapor and bump watts up. Normally around 20 but when I bump to 22 is when I have issues. I vaped my kayfun lite at 22 all day long on builds between 1.0 and 1.4
 

KTMRider

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 5, 2014
4,538
18,079
NJ
I have two type A K4's (black o-rings) coming from FT, I'm to understand that on part #38 the flat spots for air release are not present, I shall put the there.
One will arrive tomorrow and the other on Thursday along with five glass tanks.
Are these from a different manufacturer than the ones from Codevape?

My FT A version has flats to let air escape.


My v4 is working awesome so far, well after I got it clean. But my only issue is wicking. I have a 1.2 build on a 3/32 drill bit. Cotton is done perfectly and is resting over juice holes. But I am occasionally getting dry hits. Just seems that wicking can't keep up. This happens even when I'm not using it heavily. Seems to happen when I want a little warmer vapor and bump watts up. Normally around 20 but when I bump to 22 is when I have issues. I vaped my kayfun lite at 22 all day long on builds between 1.0 and 1.4

I had the same issue (dry hits) when I first built mine. I found cutting the tails to just feather the juice deck makes it work MUCH better. If it's too long, it blocks the juice holes and prevents air from escaping into the tank, creating a vaccum that won't allow juice to flow out.
 

mrcrunch08

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 1, 2013
96
100
45
mount airy, NC
Without trying to be disagreeable , this is absolutely not the case. I can't put it any other way.
The square male and square female parts (# 3 &8) must be butted tightly together or there will be a poor ground.
It's not just a matter of screw #9 being tight.
Let me just add, the 510 screw is adjustable, it is not necessary for it to be "tight".
I guess we may have to agree to disagree. The cutout on part #3 is not there for grounding. Part #9 screws directly into the negative of the 510 becoming the ground and being tight on part #8 completes the ground. If you have any of the other clones like the red oring one from fasttech that doesn't have that issue you will see it is assembled in the same way I described which is how I descovered the fix that has not only been working perfectly for me but has also steadied my resistance reading on my DNA 40. Before I even attempted that fix I sanded the white delrin orings to the same size has those on the working ones with no improvement. The 510 is also still adjustable after doing what I said. I said to tighten part #9 and the 510 pin snug just to make sure that part #2(replacememt) is pressed in place. After doing so adjust the 510 to your liking. I just suggest trying it before assuming it won't work. It has been working perfectly for me since last Thursday without having to mess with anything again. It won't damage anything like sanding orings which may be unnecessary and is easy enough to just give it a shot before doing things that can't be undone
 
Last edited:

ricks

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 11, 2011
7,245
10,303
61
Moscow PA
Ok, yikes, after 4 thorough soaks and scrubs, I taste machine oil this morning. I spent hours cleaning the snot out of this yesterday. Do you think boiling in water and vinegar will do it? I did it twice in alcohol and twice in Dawn yesterday. I assume I need to remove all the o rings to boil.

Good idea, I'd try it. Definitely remove the orings and clean them with dish soap. Or even soak in a water/vinegar mix.
 

Circa Survivor

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jun 17, 2014
908
796
Omaha, NE
I guess we may have to agree to disagree. The cutout on part #3 is not there for grounding. Part #9 screws directly into the negative of the 510 becoming the ground and being tight on part #8 completes the ground. If you have any of the other clones like the red oring one from fasttech that doesn't have that issue you will see it is assembled in the same way I described which is how I descovered the fix that has not only been working perfectly for me but has also steadied my resistance reading on my DNA 40. Before I even attempted that fix I sanded the white delrin orings to the same size has those on the working ones with no improvement. The 510 is also still adjustable after doing what I said. I said to tighten part #9 and the 510 pin snug just to make sure that part #2(replacememt) is pressed in place. After doing so adjust the 510 to your liking. I just suggest trying it before assuming it won't work. It has been working perfectly for me since last Thursday without having to mess with anything again. It won't damage anything like sanding orings which may be unnecessary and is easy enough to just give it a shot before doing things that can't be undone

I'll have to give it a try. So you just used a different 510 insulator?
 

KTMRider

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 5, 2014
4,538
18,079
NJ
I a have a KF V4 clone from unknown manufacturer. I purchased it as a preorder on eBay. It's a 1:1 clone with red o-rings.
The leaking issue was present from the very first build and hasn't stopped for a few days until I finally found this thread. A few
people have correctly concluded that the reason for leaking is the o-ring #16 that goes over the squared (inner) part of the air chamber.
I wasn't able to find a thicker o-ring, so I applied one wrap of dental floss under the o-ring and it has fixed the problem. If you're going
to attempt the use the dental floss, apply only one wrap where ends slightly overlap (only few millimeters). Using more floss will cause
the o-ring to bulge out from the grooves when screwed in, which will possible cause more leaking and eventually damage the o-ring.
I hope this helps at least one person :)

Gene

I ended up using some cotton thread (I use disposable dental floss picks so no floss). I put about 3 wraps and it's working great. It could probably use another wrap but it seals enough so it's not leaking.

Thanks again!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread