makes sense but not what is happening in my case, I'm looking at the juice puddling on top of the donut ring, which doesn't really make sense as it should be dripping back through the hole and onto the coil.
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makes sense but not what is happening in my case, I'm looking at the juice puddling on top of the donut ring, which doesn't really make sense as it should be dripping back through the hole and onto the coil.
I was having problems with juice puddling on top of the donut ring as well until I started using two donut rings and then a standard drip tip on the regular size ce2's. When I use the xl's I use three donut rings and then a drip tip. It seems like it helps because there is no room for the juice to collect.
I don't know that such a thing would be possible. Tiny vapor droplets collect on the underside of the tip and condense into larger droplets, especially around the hole where the vapor is being channelled. The only way to stop that is to stop vapor from condensing, and the only way to do that is to stop vapor from forming in the first place. That's just straight up physics doing what it does best, unfortunately. As long as the hole is small enough for the liquid's surface tension to allow it to condense and block the opening, you're going to get juice in your mouth. Widen the hole enough (all the way down) that the liquid can't form a droplet big enough to block it (and air velocity during a drag is too low to push it up the hole) and you solve the problem.
Well, more or less. You'll still get a very thin coating of juice on the lips as the vapor condenses around the barrel of the top end of the mouthpiece -- there's absolutely no avoiding that -- but it's an order of magnitude more tolerable than a big ol' blob of juice shooting straight in as it's more on the order of getting a taste of someone's lip gloss when you kiss them rather than taking a bit out of the stick.
EDIT: It may be possible to create some sort of check valve system that could prevent juice buildup and blockage of the airway, but that's getting needlessly complicated for a problem whose solution is simply to buy a drip tip.
Not necessarily. E-liquid has a pretty high surface tension, especially with higher VG content. In a small space like the distance between the O-ring and the mouthpiece or drip tip, liquid collects around the edges. Such a small volume of liquid with such a high surface tension liquid isn't heavy enough to break the surface tension against the tube wall, so it stays there, at least until it accumulates enough liquid that the volume it occupies is enough for it to spill over the hole of the O-ring, at which point its own surface tension down the middle of the O-ring can be enough to carry some of it back down and into the cup. But you won't stop liquid from collecting there. Again, that's just good ol' physics doing its thing.
Not wanting to defy Physics. In fact, I'd like to see if I can use Physics to eliminate or at least, Minimize the e-Liquid getting into past the Mouth Piece.
So the OEM Mouth Piece has too small of a hole in it? Could the Mouth Piece Hole be made Larger. Could it be Drilled Larger? Could it be cut with an Exacto Knife? How about poking a Red Hot Coat Hanger thru the hole to make it Larger?
Or would increasing the Air Flow perhaps solve, or at least, partially solve the problem?
Another thing. Does the distance from the coil to the end of a Drip Tip/Mouth Piece play a role in all this?
Yes, I refer to the included one rubber tip. Suggestions for use of this white elephant on a postcard please
Y'all realize that this whole conversation will be moot when they release the
Microcig Isn't Awesome Enough To Do What BadKolo Tells Them To - CE2 Fix Kits
right?
Microcig Isn't Awesome Enough To Do What BadKolo Tells Them To - CE2 Fix Kits
right?
Airflow seems to be a part of what's happening. I have two CE2s I'm using right now, and the one with the slightly tighter draw collects more juice around the seal. Maybe the slower air flow gives the vapor more time to condense on the side of the tube. I don't really know.
However, I'm not getting any juice in my mouth because I don't use any mouthpiece at all, just the seal, so I'm drawing from an open tube like a straw. The only problem with this is that some juices, specifically ones with water in them, will "pop" and send tiny droplets of hot juice onto my tongue. I'm avoiding those juices or using a drip tip with them.
Mindfield, you're right on about surface tension. The juice collects around the outside of the tube, never dripping back into the coil. Once in awhile, after juice has built up quite a bit, I use a tissue or bit of paper towel to soak it up and remove it.
However, I'm not getting any juice in my mouth because I don't use any mouthpiece at all, just the seal, so I'm drawing from an open tube like a straw. The only problem with this is that some juices, specifically ones with water in them, will "pop" and send tiny droplets of hot juice onto my tongue. I'm avoiding those juices or using a drip tip with them.
Mindfield, you're right on about surface tension. The juice collects around the outside of the tube, never dripping back into the coil. Once in awhile, after juice has built up quite a bit, I use a tissue or bit of paper towel to soak it up and remove it.
Y'all realize that this whole conversation will be moot when they release the
Microcig Isn't Awesome Enough To Do What BadKolo Tells Them To - CE2 Fix Kits
right?
Ha ha! Good one. You ever see anything that somebody didn't find fault with?
Y'all realize that this whole conversation will be moot when they release the Microcig Isn't Awesome Enough To Do What BadKolo Tells Them To - CE2 Fix Kits right?
I was on the point of doing a 'how-to' in pictures of how I strip down ten or so XL clearo's weekly for the benefit of those who struggle getting them apart without ripping the top seals. I've been doing this for a few months now and have yet to rip a single seal so I figured it might be worth me posting up.
Then up pops Bad with the promise of the all-singing-all-dancing-easy-fill-no-seal-no-rip-tip... sigh, there goes my fifteen minutes of fame...
Yes, making the hole larger will help, but given the the shape of the mouthpiece that comes with these, you couldn't make it too much bigger without breaking through the sides or making the walls so thin at the narrowest point that it would just pinch or buckle when you try and use it.
You could use the original rubber plug that these things come packed with and enlarge that hole without a problem, that would work. Or just tailpipe it. But that's not entirely comfortable.
It would make it worse. Increased air velocity would have a better chance of dragging liquid with it as it travels into your mouth. You want to decrease the velocity to prevent that from happening.
Only in an extremely minor way; the greater the distance the more the vapor tends to dissipate or stick to more surface on the way up by the time it gets to your mouth. But when you're talking about a factor of millimetres, or even an inch or two, the effect is negligible -- and anyway the result is less vapor in your mouth.
The fundamental problem here is that anything that prevents vapor from condensing enough to pool and spit juice in your mouth is also preventing you from getting that vapor in the first place. The best you can hope for here is a balance between enough vapor to satisfy but not so much that it pools and spits into your mouth, and the easiest solution to that is to have a hole wide enough that juice can't block it and air velocity is lowered to the point where it won't drag a significant amount of juice up the hole to your mouth. That means either making a larger hole in whatever you have, or a drip tip.
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Y'all realize that this whole conversation will be moot when they release the
Microcig Isn't Awesome Enough To Do What BadKolo Tells Them To - CE2 Fix Kits
right?
Moot?
Perhaps. If some new system comes along and works for all e-Liquids at all Voltages and Ohm with all vaping styles. But my experience tells me that One Size Doesn’t fit all. It might. Or it might not work for Everyone.
That and an Intellectually pursuit to solve a problem has its own merit.
The purpose of the Journey is not to arrive.
I've been looking for a use for that red hot coat hanger!!!
If a Man cannot solve a Problem using Fire and or Duct Tape, there really isn’t a Problem.
Air Flow maybe something that should be consider me closely.
Unfortunately, Fluid Dynamics is a Very Difficult thing to do Analytically. Way to many Systems of Non-Linear Differential Equations that have Non-Trivial Solution. Nasty is an Understatement. Too Many Highly Dependent Variable to be Modeled Mathematically.
Trial and Error maybe a better way to approach this problem verses throwing Giga-Flops at it.
Mindfield
All good points. Also nice to engage in dialog about Solutions and what Ifs. Reminds me of the Old Days in the “Big” threads when the (E2)CE2 was involving.
Unfortunately the DVR is now an Hour in so I can watch the games Skipping all the commercials. Hold these thoughts and maybe you’ll be online after the Cowboys get their Butts Kicked by the 49’ers.
BTW – Really doesn’t matter who Beats the Cowboys. As long as they Lose.
Oops...
Detroit's job is to put a Beat Down on Dallas.
The 49'ers job is to Break Vick.
Okay, so it seems the liquid collecting between the donut and mouthpiece might just be condensation. Getting a drip tip should help? And from what I'm reading, gotvapes has a fix kit on the way for the new deluxes? Can anyone tell me what the fixes will entail? I see a Vision Deaux on the site too, but they're sold out. Is this the new thing, and will it be available in KR808 at some point? Sorry to ask silly questions, but I really like these and would like to continue using them. Just not quite understanding what's out there. I'd be happy to get something for 510 and use an adaptor, but those are sold out too.
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I would say yes. If the seal is too loose so that you get flooding, then the juice can get sucked out of the cup, but I don't think that's what's happening here.
Yes.
Only badkolo can say, and he's still in tease mode, it seems.
It seems like the conversion kit (fix kit) might be modeled on the Vision Deux, though I'm not sure what you mean by "the new thing." Don't know about 808 versions.
These are not silly questions, and if they were nobody would say so. There's so much out there that understanding it all is a full-time job. That would be dannoman's and badkolo's job, and I doubt even they understand everything that's out there, though they make a very impressive attempt at it.
understand what you are saying, makes sense, but how do you explain that the original clearomizers and metal ce2's did not have this issue?
Every clearomizer I've ever used has done this, though I started with the R4s. They don't all result in pooling of juice, but they all get condensation around the sides with varying degrees of sizes of drops. I'm not totally sure about this, but it seems like the juices that tend to gunk up the atomizer the fastest also tend to be the ones that end up with pools around the seal. Not sure why that is. Are you using the same juice in the new ones that you were using in the original ones?
If you have a Vortex, you could try using it's mouthpiece. They are nicely designed to prevent juice from ever getting in your mouth.
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the visions mouth peace removes this issue, no juice in mouth because it traps it in the mouth peace, the saphhire also traps the condensation on the aitrtube.
patients my little kitty's fix is on its way, no more issues soon.
patients my little kitty's fix is on its way, no more issues soon.
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