Congressional hearing on E-cigs

[DarrenMG]

It's cool I will stop with the politics, had my say.

Ultimately I am just hacked off that if I lose my option to vape because someone legalizes it away (or makes it so expensive why bother), it is going to suck.

The thing is vaping not only helped me get off smoking, I don't even want to smoke again. That was never true using gum or patches. For those of you who remember having to go to a doctor to get a prescription of nicotine gum... I just ended up going back to smoking.

And yes, I enjoy my hit of nicotine, it's an addiction, but so is my morning cup of coffee. I harm nobody else having a vape.

 

[gsmit1]

There are way enough vapers to sway elections and I think they should know that.

I am highly skeptical that this is true. As much as I'd love to be wrong.

 

[Baditude]

From the tone of the hearing, they came into the room set to do an emergency ban, and nothing anybody said made me think they were going to do any thing different. There's still a few steps they have to complete before a ban will be official.

 

[Ceejay0875]

From the tone of the hearing, they came into the room set to do an emergency ban, and nothing anybody said made me think they were going to do any thing different. There's still a few steps they have to complete before a ban will be official.

Thanks for keeping us posted.

 

[classwife]

Ultimately I am just hacked off that if I lose my option to vape because someone legalizes it away

Total Members : 267,831

We ALL are.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

WOW, that's a lot of members

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Here is a link to the House hearing from this morning, in case anybody wants to be miserable for 3 hours straight:

 

[ScottP]

From the tone of the hearing, they came into the room set to do an emergency ban, and nothing anybody said made me think they were going to do any thing different. There's still a few steps they have to complete before a ban will be official.

Even with an "Emergency ban" bill it still needs to be passed by both houses and signed by the President. Thankfully Trump seems to be backing away from his call for a flavor ban, and I just don't see him supporting a complete ban either. Which means they would need this bill to pass with enough votes to be "Veto Proof".

 

[Opinionated]

Here is a link to the House hearing from this morning, in case anybody wants to be miserable for 3 hours straight:

yesterday gave me chest pains.. not sure I can deal with more.

lol. Thanks for the post.. I'll watch it later..

 

[Opinionated]

Even with an "Emergency ban" bill it still needs to be passed by both houses and signed by the President. Thankfully Trump seems to be backing away from his call for a flavor ban, and I just don't see him supporting a complete ban either. Which means they would need this bill to pass with enough vote to be "Veto Proof".

I'm not exactly sure they can override the FDA on this, after giving regulatory power to them..

Not sure how that would work at all. They'd have to remove/revoke regulatory power over e-cigarettes from the FDA to now impose a ban wouldn't they?

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Okay, first...I'm not a govt. procedural wonk, so I could be way wrong. But the FDA has the power to regulate vaping. I don't believe that would include a ban per se. But they can create rules that would in effect, by their rules ban certain items. I think most of what they do has to follow procedural rules, meaning nothing they do would happen overnight. An national emergency ban of some sort might require an Executive Order, which I don't think Trump is ready to do. At least not one that's extremely draconian. And for it to happen legislatively would definitely take some time.

But 1) I don't know this for a fact, and 2) The speed and reckless nature of what's happened so far makes me think that any state or federal government is prepared to do whatever they want, and then face any legal challenges, just to show they're doing something.

I don't believe even half of what's happened so far would pass muster in court, but that doesn't seem to matter any more. Take the power, create the action, and fight for the right to do it later is what seems to be happening at every turn.

Forget this is vaping for a minute, but that it could be any other issue. What's going on is literally breathtaking.

 

[Myrany]

Forget this is vaping for a minute, but that it could be any other issue. What's going on is literally breathtaking.

No it is terrifying in its implications for the country going forward.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Okay, first...I'm not a govt. procedural wonk, so I could be way wrong. But the FDA has the power to regulate vaping. I don't believe that would include a ban per se. But they can create rules that would in effect, by their rules ban certain items. I think most of what they do has to follow procedural rules, meaning nothing they do would happen overnight. An national emergency ban of some sort might require an Executive Order, which I don't think Trump is ready to do. At least not one that's extremely draconian. And for it to happen legislatively would definitely take some time.

But 1) I don't know this for a fact, and 2) The speed and reckless nature of what's happened so far makes me think that any state or federal government is prepared to do whatever they want, and then face any legal challenges, just to show they're doing something.

I don't believe even half of what's happened so far would pass muster in court, but that doesn't seem to matter any more. Take the power, create the action, and fight for the right to do it later is what seems to be happening at every turn.

Forget this is vaping for a minute, but that it could be any other issue. What's going on is literally breathtaking.

It's easier to ask for frorgiveness, than to ask for permission.

 

[ScottP]

Scathing review of Rashida Tlaib's "performance" in Tuesday's House subcommittee hearing:
Rashida Tlaib’s Vaping Interview: She’s Either Lying or Ignorant

 

[rosesense]

Remember the gov doesn't have to worry about legal fees. AAG's and any costs including any fees a court might impose are all paid by.......taxpayers.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

It's easier to ask for frorgiveness, than to ask for permission.

True, but it makes me think...years past, neither party would typically take an action that would set a precedent that could come back and bite their party or their other issues.

That's gone. Immediate gratification, childish ignorance of long term consequences, whatever. They're in the right, that's what they want, damn the torpedoes, and full speed ahead.

 

[Electrodave]

The FDA has whatever regulatory powers that the law gives them. Congress can change the law, and the FDA will need to change the attendant regulations when this happens, which is really quite frequently.

Any bill that passes the House will end up in Mitch McConnell's pocket. I don't see a vaping bill as something that would persuade him to open the Senate floor. I could be wrong.

 

[AttyPops]

yesterday gave me chest pains.. not sure I can deal with more.

They should do a study about how much polarized politics, sensationalism, and stress, as well as the "swamp" special interests and lying politicians are shortening lives and driving up healthcare costs.

And if it's more than, say, 8 people's deaths related, they should ban all of that.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

The FDA has whatever regulatory powers that the law gives them. Congress can change the law, and the FDA will need to change the attendant regulations when this happens, which is really quite frequently.

Any bill that passes the House will end up in Mitch McConnell's pocket. I don't see a vaping bill as something that would persuade him to open the Senate floor. I could be wrong.

Okay, but what does your first paragraph really mean? Is what I said essentially correct? That the can't create a ban? That they can create rules that would be required to be proposed, comment periods, response, etc. Meaning time?

 

[Cool_Breeze]

If the approach of those who would promote regulating/banning vaping is to "divide and couquer," then I would say they are off to a good start.