Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[DavidOck]

Above the fold? Likely won't go anywhere close to the back page, like these:

Can nicotine protect the aging brain?

Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's (April, 2014)

But good to see there's actually more research being done!

 

[DaveP]

Something we don't see is a push to strictly enforce proof of age when purchasing tobacco cigarettes or e-cigarettes. If you are 18 or over it's legal. Below 18, it's against the law. Strictly enforcing proof of age using a drivers license as the legal proof would solve all or most of the problem with under-age teens smoking or vaping.

Yes, their friends will buy for them. That happened when I was a high school student. That, and it's much more easy to make a fake drivers license with Photoshop these days than it was when we were teens.

 

[englishmick]

Well....according to a Gallup Poll, 69% of millennials would vote for a socialist presidential candidate. Yet 64% don't want a government run economy. So as a group, is there anything they really know?

I got somewhat of a window into what they think. I had a grandson staying with us for a couple of years. He worked in fast food then suddenly one day enlisted in the Marines, which blew my mind. After he left a granddaughter moved in with her 4 year old. She just finished college to be a teacher.

GS vaped.

I quizzed both of them on what their generation thinks about politics. They both said their cohorts were mostly disgusted with politics, particularly the party food fight. They thought voting was pointless, they feel it's like voting for which Mafia Don gets to run the Family. They have opinions on issues but they don't associate issues with parties. They are mostly socially liberal. They believe people should be free to live as they want, in contrast to what they see as the lip service support for that idea from the parties and their followers. They don't believe anything we say.

One thing they both said was that people they know are becoming more interested in voting and starting to see it as something they have to start doing to protect themselves from us. And they mostly have a tolerant view of vaping, even my GD who is a bit puritanical and doesn't even drink caffeine.

So overall I think they have a healthier take on politics than we do.

 

[DaveP]

I got somewhat of a window into what they think. I had a grandson staying with us for a couple of years. He worked in fast food then suddenly one day enlisted in the Marines, which blew my mind. After he left a granddaughter moved in with her 4 year old. She just finished college to be a teacher.

GS vaped.

I quizzed both of them on what their generation thinks about politics. They both said their cohorts were mostly disgusted with politics, particularly the party food fight. They thought voting was pointless, they feel it's like voting for which Mafia Don gets to run the Family. They have opinions on issues but they don't associate issues with parties. They are mostly socially liberal. They believe people should be free to live as they want, in contrast to what they see as the lip service support for that idea from the parties and their followers. They don't believe anything we say.

One thing they both said was that people they know are becoming more interested in voting and starting to see it as something they have to start doing to protect themselves from us. And they mostly have a tolerant view of vaping, even my GD who is a bit puritanical and doesn't even drink caffeine.

So overall I think they have a healthier take on politics than we do.

As a teen in the 1960s I sympathized with that generation. Victorian rules were outdated as society changed and became more accommodating to technology and new societal ideas about what should be permissible.

Every generation grows up under new a thought process and adapts its thinking to make slight changes in the rules.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

I got somewhat of a window into what they think. I had a grandson staying with us for a couple of years. He worked in fast food then suddenly one day enlisted in the Marines, which blew my mind. After he left a granddaughter moved in with her 4 year old. She just finished college to be a teacher.

GS vaped.

I quizzed both of them on what their generation thinks about politics. They both said their cohorts were mostly disgusted with politics, particularly the party food fight. They thought voting was pointless, they feel it's like voting for which Mafia Don gets to run the Family. They have opinions on issues but they don't associate issues with parties. They are mostly socially liberal. They believe people should be free to live as they want, in contrast to what they see as the lip service support for that idea from the parties and their followers. They don't believe anything we say.

One thing they both said was that people they know are becoming more interested in voting and starting to see it as something they have to start doing to protect themselves from us. And they mostly have a tolerant view of vaping, even my GD who is a bit puritanical and doesn't even drink caffeine.

So overall I think they have a healthier take on politics than we do.

Sounds a lot like my political viewpoint since the 70's. From what I have gathered though the main difference is that I'm financially conservative. Not a lot is going to change until the 2 party stranglehold is broken.

 

[Baditude]

Interesting article and commentary:

Juul May Get Billions in Deal With One of World’s Largest Tobacco Companies

 

[zoiDman]

Altria board approves $13 billion investment in e-cigarette company Juul (CNBC)

There you have it. A deal that values Juul at more than 25 times revenues. That's right, revenues, not profits.

Altria seems to think there's continued phenomenal growth potential for Juul.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

And, it's done. Pretty bad news for all vapers. Now, BT and vaping are "the same." They'll be inextricably linked in all media discussion of the vaping industry. Any brush used to paint the vaping industry will essentially be the same one used for BT.
Tobacco Giant Altria Just Made a $12.8 Billion Investment in Juul

 

[mikepetro]

Sad, indeed....

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[DPLongo22]

And, it's done. Pretty bad news for all vapers. Now, BT and vaping are "the same." They'll be inextricably linked in all media discussion of the vaping industry. Any brush used to paint the vaping industry will essentially be the same one used for BT.
Tobacco Giant Altria Just Made a $12.8 Billion Investment in Juul

Juul gets $2 billion bonus from Altria deal — to be split among its 1,500 employees

I believe that's about 1.5M per, if the caffeine is working... (somewhere in that area).

It may say in the article but I couldn't bring myself to read it. I can't afford regurgitating the coffee this morning.

 

[zoiDman]

And, it's done. Pretty bad news for all vapers. Now, BT and vaping are "the same." They'll be inextricably linked in all media discussion of the vaping industry. Any brush used to paint the vaping industry will essentially be the same one used for BT.
Tobacco Giant Altria Just Made a $12.8 Billion Investment in Juul

As another ECF Member pointed out in another thread, that Media Brainwashing has really already occurred.

So for the average Joe on the street, Not Much has really changed.

 

[AXIOM_1]

As another ECF Member pointed out in another thread, that Media Brainwashing has really already occurred.

So for the average Joe on the street, Not Much has really changed.

Media brainwashing has been occurring for decades.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

As another ECF Member pointed out in another thread, that Media Brainwashing has really already occurred.

So for the average Joe on the street, Not Much has really changed.

Sure, they've been equating vaping with smoking for quite some time. But no doubt, this will lend credence to it. Immediate effect? No. But this will change a lot more than perception. It will change how the FDA deals with vaping

 

[Eskie]

Juul gets $2 billion bonus from Altria deal — to be split among its 1,500 employees

I believe that's about 1.5M per, if the caffeine is working... (somewhere in that area).

It may say in the article but I couldn't bring myself to read it. I can't afford regurgitating the coffee this morning.

Ah, actually about $1.3M. And then there's taxes.

 

[AXIOM_1]

Ah, actually about $1.3M. And then there's taxes.

He didn't have his coffee yet

 

[DPLongo22]

Ah, actually about $1.3M. And then there's taxes.

Si, senor.
$1,333,333.33 (approx. $800k after taxes, give or take, and obviously depending on states of residence/employment).

Not a bad little deal, I'd say.

He didn't have his coffee yet

Ya. Now that I've had time to think and process it, I guess. I can't say that I blame them, but the march of Change is certainly upon us.

Stocked up, ready (thank you, @Katdarling!) , and as always, locked & loaded.

Screw 'em.

 

[AXIOM_1]

Screw 'em.

LOL

 

[Eskie]

Si, senor.
$1,333,333.33 (approx. $800k after taxes, give or take, and obviously depending on states of residence/employment).

Not a bad little deal, I'd say.

They’re in San Francisco. They might have enough left over to get a studio apartment in town. Or maybe a one bedroom if they’re not picky about the neighborhood.

 

[AXIOM_1]

They’re in San Francisco. They might have enough left over to get a studio apartment in town. Or maybe a one bedroom if they’re not picky about the neighborhood.

LOL

 

[DPLongo22]

They’re in San Francisco. They might have enough left over to get a studio apartment in town. Or maybe a one bedroom if they’re not picky about the neighborhood.

Excellent point, Eskie!!!

So, that $800k is actually about (for them), what - $3.50 (give or take)?