Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Well, that's the way it was supposed to be pronounced, so your parents were smart! Named after a street in England, I believe. My grandparents smoked them. Dad was a Lucky man, Mom smoked whatever light cigarette was in style- VA Slims (I won't use the vulgar nickname! ), Vantage, Merit, True, others I forget, etc. I was into these:
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Well, looky there...cigarettes targeting 'the children' by imitating the candy package. Or was it the other way around. Who knew?

 

[rosesense]

Well, looky there...cigarettes targeting 'the children' by imitating the candy package. Or was it the other way around. Who knew?

I always liked the bubble gum cigs more. We have come a long way, haven't we? From candy cigs for kids to 'save the children', ban flavors that appeal to kids. I hardly think those bubble gum cigs I had enticed me to smoke as a teenager cause I didn't smoke as a teen, hated it.

 

[Zazie]

Well, that's the way it was supposed to be pronounced, so your parents were smart! Named after a street in England, I believe. My grandparents smoked them. Dad was a Lucky man, Mom smoked whatever light cigarette was in style- VA Slims (I won't use the vulgar nickname! ), Vantage, Merit, True, others I forget, etc. I was into these (seriously- I remember cutting paper up and making play cigarettes, and even a pack to put them in-copying the Lucky logo):
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Only the snootiest of snoots say "Pell Mell" in England, as far as I can discover; otherwise, most have it sound like "Paul Maul." But, sure enough, the cigs were indeed "Pell Mells." And here I just assumed my parents' pronunciation was some idiosyncratic New Englandism.

 

[puffon]

My mom also smoked Pall Mall, dad Lucky Strikes, rolled up in the tee shirt sleeve.
I don't remember it, but was told my brother and I cruised Woodward Ave Detroit, riding in the rumble seat of dads hotrod.
Sounded like good times...

 

[ScottP]

Only the snootiest of snoots say "Pell Mell" in England, as far as I can discover; otherwise, most have it sound like "Paul Maul." But, sure enough, the cigs were indeed "Pell Mells." And here I just assumed my parents' pronunciation was some idiosyncratic New Englandism.

Wow we have come a long way in the realm of commercials. I wonder what the people of the 1950's would think if they could see the commercials of today.

 

[Ceejay0875]

Wow we have come a long way in the realm of commercials. I wonder what the people of the 1950's would think if they could see the commercials of today.

They would think that we were all dumb donkeys for there to even be a market for all thus crap in the first place.

 

[zoiDman]

"We ask you to direct the FDA to pump the brakes on its new regulatory efforts against an innovative industry that is helping American smokers quit."

You are being redirected...

https://www.atr.org/sites/default/files/assets/Coalition-Letter-to-Trump-on-FDA.pdf

 

[ScottP]

"We ask you to direct the FDA to pump the brakes on its new regulatory efforts against an innovative industry that is helping American smokers quit."

You are being redirected...

https://www.atr.org/sites/default/files/assets/Coalition-Letter-to-Trump-on-FDA.pdf

Let's hope it has some effect.

 

[BillW50]

Let's just say we don't agree. It would have been far easier to let Deeming take affect on schedule and he could just blame the previous admin versus going through all the gymnastics that he has. I just see no logic in your argument. Sorry,

You could disagree if you like, but if it went through, the FDA would have had lawsuits filed like crazy and it wouldn't have ever worked. Nor would Gottlieb would want the headaches that came with it either. The government has never been successful dropping the big hammer down without a very good reason that the masses would buy. But what does work for them is taking tiny slices until they get the end result that they wanted in the first place.

 

[BillW50]

Here we go... according to Gottlieb's end game. To kill off vaping and use the kids as a shield.

Addicted to fear, the FDA is hurtling toward a historic mistake

Statement from FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, M.D., on new data demonstrating rising youth use of tobacco products and the agency’s ongoing actions to confront the epidemic of youth e-cigarette use

 

[DaveP]

The kiddie Juul craze will be over once they get a hold of these:
Denver may decriminalize magic mushrooms after thousands sign measure
Wonder if they will be flavored?...

Maybe they are trying to extend the "Mile High City" nickname.

 

[ScottP]

Here we go... according to Gottlieb's end game. To kill off vaping and use the kids as a shield.

Addicted to fear, the FDA is hurtling toward a historic mistake

Statement from FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, M.D., on new data demonstrating rising youth use of tobacco products and the agency’s ongoing actions to confront the epidemic of youth e-cigarette use

The first link from the Washington Examiner is a great article. Scott Gottlieb should read it.

 

[stols001]

I don't think Gottleib has any time for reading "the other side."

I would wait for you know, our youth to rise up and whatnot but they were effectively given participation trophies to RISE UP to do NOTHING. I mean it, I have now WORKED with some millennials and snowflakes IN their first job (and like some were OMG ONLY children) and so far, I want to punch them in the head, mostly.

Maybe if we put acid in designer water and such, we might get somewhere.

But for now, it's currently "OMG I rise up to state that work is HARD and like, even though Anna has done it for twenty years and she KNOWS I did not like her tone when she told me if I made that mistake again there would be consequences" type thing.

The REVOLUTION will not AMERTIZE. Is more like it.

Anna

 

[Zazie]

"But now, having become exposed to nicotine through e-cigs, they [the "kids"] will be more likely to smoke." Only if you make it impossible for them to vape, Scott.

 

[jandrew]

Here we go... according to Gottlieb's end game. To kill off vaping and use the kids as a shield.

Addicted to fear, the FDA is hurtling toward a historic mistake

Statement from FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, M.D., on new data demonstrating rising youth use of tobacco products and the agency’s ongoing actions to confront the epidemic of youth e-cigarette use

Good grief, the study does not tell us there is increase in teen smoking (or that would be the huge headline), nor does it show that teens who use ecigs are more likely to smoke. It only shows that teens who do smoke are increasingly more likely to have used an ecig in the past ... and hopes to instill the fear of a causal relationship (and by classifying ecigs as tobacco products to be able to say a 'rise in youth use of tobacco products' helps sell it).

Heck, the number of teens that do smoke now are increasingly more likely to have used a fidget spinner in the past (OMG, a fidget spinner epidemic among our teens must be causing smoking).

Yes, there has been a rise in both teen ecig use and teen fidget spinner use in recent years ... Where is the big rise in actual teen smoking? Oh, that's right, that's been going down.

 

[ScottP]

Good grief, the study does not tell us there is increase in teen smoking (or that would be the huge headline), nor does it show that teens who use ecigs are more likely to smoke. It only shows that teens who do smoke are increasingly more likely to have used an ecig in the past ... and hopes to instill the fear of a causal relationship (and by classifying ecigs as tobacco products to be able to say a 'rise in youth use of tobacco products' helps sell it).

Heck, the number of teens that do smoke now are increasingly more likely to have used a fidget spinner in the past (OMG, a fidget spinner epidemic among our teens must be causing smoking).

Yes, there has been a rise in both teen ecig use and teen fidget spinner use in recent years ... Where is the big rise in actual teen smoking? Oh, that's right, that's been going down.

To me the biggest issue is (at least in most of these studies) they ask "Have you used an eCig in the last 30 days" and if the answer is yes then they get counted as a user even if they only tried it one time. What this means is if ONE student in a school of 4000 brings one to school and lets everyone take 1 single puff each, then these studies count it as 4000 users.

 

[jandrew]

To me the biggest issue is they ask "Have you used an eCig in the last 30 days" and if the answer is yes then they get counted as a user even if they only tried it one time. What this means is if ONE student in a school of 4000 brings one to school and lets everyone take 1 single puff each, then this study counts it as 4000 users.

Not a lot of studies in this area ask questions that make sense these days ... the answers are harder to twist to the correct agenda.

 

[Rossum]

Not a lot of studies in this area ask questions that make sense these days ... the answers are harder to twist to the correct agenda.

Oh, they they do ask stuff like, "have you used in at least 20 of the last 30 days," to identify people who are actually regular vapers, but those are not the numbers that make headlines, because they are quite small.

 

[zoiDman]

To me the biggest issue is (at least in most of these studies) they ask "Have you used an eCig in the last 30 days" and if the answer is yes then they get counted as a user even if they only tried it one time. What this means is if ONE student in a school of 4000 brings one to school and lets everyone take 1 single puff each, then these studies count it as 4000 users.

Sure... That is Exactly what would be included in that Population.

But here's a Question...

If down the Road you tighten up the that Question to Exclude those One Time Puffers, couldn't you use the New Data as Support/Validation to whatever Policies you had implemented?

It's an Age Old technique of proving "Cause and Effect" using Two Sets of Data. And you see it Constantly in Government.

Especially when it comes to Funding Allocations.

 

[Ceejay0875]

Here's a question no one is asking: who says the kids filled out these questionnaires honestly? I remember getting them a couple times in school and we viewed them as the joke they were, nobody actually took the stupid things seriously.