Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Nancy D]

Dill flavor is pretty good, so is Worcestershire, and yes - TFA does Bacon bacon flavoring.

Wow, when I considered bacon, it was because of the smoky (umami) flavor of some wta's that I'd gotten!
I like bacon to eat, but maybe in 20 years my vape palate will mature to the point that yes, I can vape bacon, Worcestershire sauce etc. Dill seems mellow in comparison.

 

[NGAHaze]

Dill flavor is pretty good, so is Worcestershire

Sadly, I don't think either of those flavors are offered any longer by TFA.

 

[leftyandsparky]

Thanks, Dave. But PG gives me a kind of allergic thing around my nose that hurts. It went away when I switched to max VG. So really, I'm not gonna chase down organic since its a pain in the ..... Plus I'm not a zillionaire so as long as I feel okay with VG and teeny bits of PG, great!

Is anyone else having sensitivity to PG? It's not called allergy, supposedly!

Yes it’s an allergy according to my ENT specialist! I have a serious reaction to it. I have to be careful with skin care products, shampoo and conditioner and I read lots of labels! I can eat it, but not vape or apply to my body. I thinks it’s odd that I can use pg flavors for cooking and be fine. Rub some on my arm and hives appear.

 

[Haktuspit]

Look for USP Kosher grade PG and VG. Essential Depot is one supplier.

https://www.amazon.com/Propylene-Gl...ds=pg+and+vg&qid=1558633269&s=gateway&sr=8-24

This is what I use, except their VG version.

Thanks, Dave. But PG gives me a kind of allergic thing around my nose that hurts. It went away when I switched to max VG. So really, I'm not gonna chase down organic since its a pain in the ..... Plus I'm not a zillionaire so as long as I feel okay with VG and teeny bits of PG, great!

Is anyone else having sensitivity to PG? It's not called allergy, supposedly!

Same company same Kosher status except VG is what I use. Link below.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B004C7MTLA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[newyork13]

The only vape shop near me closed over a year ago so if they ban online sales, we'll be fracked. No car at the moment.

@Nancy D , just curious what the vape shop was. Unless they've all shut down I'd think you have alternatives in NYC.

 

[Nancy D]

Yes it’s an allergy according to my ENT specialist! I have a serious reaction to it. I have to be careful with skin care products, shampoo and conditioner and I read lots of labels! I can eat it, but not vape or apply to my body. I thinks it’s odd that I can use pg flavors for cooking and be fine. Rub some on my arm and hives appear.

That is odd, but stuff gets in through skin. I was going crazy yesterday trying to remember the word hives!
About a week into vaping, I started getting dry itch skin on my hands and face. Felt and looked bad. Moisturizer did nothing!
I had a few panic attacks thinking that I might have to stop vaping. (Cigs are $14 here, aside from health reasons to quit.)
I was thrilled to bits that Max VG was okay for me. Do you mix your own juice at all?

 

[Nancy D]

@Nancy D , just curious what the vape shop was. Unless they've all shut down I'd think you have alternatives in NYC.

I forget the name (smh, I need ginkgo for memory!) but I went there once to look when not vaping. And went again a month ago and they were gone.

Ever go to Austin Street in FH at all? Schlepping to the City is a pain now but my (former) smoke shop has vape gear. Coils for the Smok stuff he has are $22!! E train, here I come.

 

[Nancy D]

This is what I use, except their VG version.



Same company same Kosher status except VG is what I use. Link below.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B004C7MTLA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thanks for the link. At this point I'm thinking about getting a few flavored liquids and maybe a liter of nicotined base. I like unflavored actually. Plus I can take premade juice and add it to some plain VG in a tank.

 

[DaveP]

Thanks, Dave. But PG gives me a kind of allergic thing around my nose that hurts. It went away when I switched to max VG. So really, I'm not gonna chase down organic since its a pain in the ..... Plus I'm not a zillionaire so as long as I feel okay with VG and teeny bits of PG, great!

Is anyone else having sensitivity to PG? It's not called allergy, supposedly!

It's tough to avoid products that contain PG. It's in a huge number of products we eat, drink, and rub on our skin. I've experimented with different DIY juice combinations of PG and VG. High VG gives me a kind of heavy lung feeling. High PG doesn't seem to produce any sort of reaction. I've mixed juice in various percentages and still haven't decided where I like the mix. Right now, I'm vaping 70pg/30vg with no obvious reaction other than a little more throat hit.

Most of what I vape is unflavored. It's just PG, VG, and Nic. When I vape flavored it's just a squirt of flavored juice that I add to a tank of unflavored. Since most flavors are mixed with PG in the flavor bottle you might want to check with suppliers to see if you can get DIY flavors with a VG base.

 

[Nancy D]

After hearing and seeing the word "organic" used to describe all kinds of things, processes and ideals, I have no idea what the word organic means any longer.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less."

Okay, at risk of being pushed off a wall... Lately it seems to me that organic ppl are focusing on the non GM aspect of it.
Although GMO free is a buzz word too--like gluten free in stuff that has no grain!

 

[Nancy D]

It's tough to avoid products that contain PG. It's in a huge number of products we eat, drink, and rub on our skin. I've experimented with different DIY juice combinations of PG and VG. High VG gives me a kind of heavy lung feeling. High PG doesn't seem to produce any sort of reaction. I've mixed juice in various percentages and still haven't decided where I like the mix. Right now, I'm vaping 70pg/30vg with no obvious reaction other than a little more throat hit.

Most of what I vape is unflavored. It's just PG, VG, and Nic. When I vape flavored it's just a squirt of flavored juice that I add to a tank of unflavored. Since most flavors are mixed with PG in the flavor bottle you might want to check with suppliers to see if you can get DIY flavors with a VG base.

I've noticed that my lungs are kinda uncomfortable now, and I'm using Max VG. Most noticeable in the AM.
I put it down to quitting but I wonder if I should try an 80/20 VG/PG mix.
The squirt in the tank method works!

 

[DaveP]

I've noticed that my lungs are kinda uncomfortable now, and I'm using Max VG. Most noticeable in the AM.
I put it down to quitting but I wonder if I should try an 80/20 VG/PG mix.
The squirt in the tank method works!

It wouldn't hurt to compare higher PG mixes to see if you get less irritation from less VG. Everyone's different and you have to play with the mix to find out what works best for you. Start with 50/50 and go from there. You will get less vapor from less VG, but flavor rises with a little PG in the mix. Somewhere in there is the mix you'll like best.

 

[Nancy D]

Unless you have a PG allergy or something, you may well be better off buying your nic in a PG base. VG is very viscous at room temperature, warming it up to try and draw some up while cold is a real pain. It really doesn't affect longevity either so it's something to consider if you're not a VG only mixer.

I've only seen blunt syringes at bigger sizes in a few places. Can you just pour VG? Or do I have to warm it up no matter what? In a double boiler?

 

[somdcomputerguy]

The FDA is certifying stuff organic on the one hand, but breaking some of the rules..

It is basically just another FDA 'Deeming Process'..

 

[Nancy D]

It is basically just another FDA 'Deeming Process'..

You nailed it!
It's actually depressing though, if I ponder all of this stuff too long.
The fda has a an ex-Monsanto vp working for them. So you know how fair everything will be!

 

[leftyandsparky]

That is odd, but stuff gets in through skin. I was going crazy yesterday trying to remember the word hives!
About a week into vaping, I started getting dry itch skin on my hands and face. Felt and looked bad. Moisturizer did nothing!
I had a few panic attacks thinking that I might have to stop vaping. (Cigs are $14 here, aside from health reasons to quit.)
I was thrilled to bits that Max VG was okay for me. Do you mix your own juice at all?

Yes, 100% menthol vg ejuice.

 

[WorksForMe]

I'm just going to leave this here.


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[Nancy D]

"Organic", "Natural", and similar "words" (not concepts), are used to sell to those (some not so bright) who fill in their own concepts of what they mean. Very effective, I might add

There are things that occur in nature, and there are things that are "raised", or combined from.... things that occur in nature.

Agree about marketing. You can read about how Americans will buy "natural", when it's basically a meaningless word anymore.
Imho, the organic industry is probably benefitting from the consumer's fear of all kinds of dreck in their food, let alone GM stuff-- not so much from Nature!

 

[DaveP]

Interesting article about the FDA and their reasons for trying to eradicate electronic cigarettes. It's mostly about protecting government tobacco taxes, not about health and safety.

https://www.theadvocates.org/2019/02/fda-excuses-wage-war-ecigs/

So the question remains; if we know the truth about e-cigs, and the experts know the truth about e-cigs, how long until the FDA starts to realize the facts are against them?

With the iron triangle of interest groups (big tobacco lobbyists), Congress (self-interested politicians), and the federal bureaucracy (the FDA), the war on e-cigs might continue to rage on and inflict lasting damage unless real change is made from the ground up. So how does that change occur? By hitting the weakest side of the triangle by organizing with your community of advocates to force your elected officials to change their stance or sponsor/co-sponsor legislation to stop the irrational war on e-cigs. By leveraging the power of your vote, the one tool you have that lobbyists and regulators don’t, real change can occur.

In a country where nearly half a million Americans die from smoking-related cancer per year, the answer at this point is obvious. With the growing amount of public support and indisputable facts backing them up, the war on e-cigs is starting the show that the FDA can choose to be on the wrong side of history, or step aside so adult smokers can obtain access to a wider market of safer alternatives.

 

[DPLongo22]

"We vapers" have not made a very effective voice. Disappointing really.

Understatement of the forever.

It was mind boggling, watching the S-Show unfold.