Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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It's just comedy from almost 50 years ago. It shouldn't offend anyone. I just checked the rules, and this is the only rule I could find that might apply, other than references to being offensive, which is to be determined by moderators:
34.d. ECF does not allow or support the use or discussion of use of any substances that we consider unconnected to normal e-cigarette use or generally recognized as illegal. ECF is a single-topic resource and that topic is the e-cigarette.
e. Members may not discuss non-legal non-consumer drugs.
So, I don't think it would be offensive to anyone. Especially since use of the substance referenced (and effects of which are being made fun of) is legal in many states. So it's not a non-legal product in this country. Strictly speaking, it's a legal US product, though not universally. But that's not what the rule says. Unconnected to e-cigarette use? Many of the popular, long running threads here have little if anything to do with it. So if it's deemed offensive or non-compliant by a moderator, they can remove it if they choose, and I won't even argue. It's their choice, their forum. I'm realizing after reading the rules that many are routinely broken and ignored, as long as posts aren't truly offensive. I try to be a good citizen here.
But I think it's really funny, and thoroughly enjoyed listening to it again, and am glad Mick prompted it. Thought others might have a laugh as well.
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution specifically lists the powers given to the federal government. Often called the enumerated powers. The 10th Amendment specifies that any powers other than these are left to the states and the people.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Our representatives take an oath of office to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution is the law of the land. So, just because a member of Congress, etc. really really wants to impose an unconstitutional law, the Constitution was to be the final arbiter. And in fact the primary function of the Constitution is to limit the power of the federal government.
The problem arose when the American people forgot what our founders warned us... "you have a republic, if you can keep it". We didn't. We didn't insist that our federal government stay within its boundaries. And now, not too many seem to care and in fact, are willing to cede it almost unlimited power. Power that was intended primarily to be left to the individual or the states. Most of any laws that were made, our founders wanted to be made close to the people. Where we have more influence and where we can kick the bums out pretty easily, if need be. 50 test beds of liberty.
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Did anyone see this?
Senators Introduce Bipartisan Legislation to Block Online E-Cigarette Sales to Minors
This is what snus users have been dealing with for years. It makes shipping pretty darn expensive and I think will pave the way for them to start collecting taxes.
Senators Introduce Bipartisan Legislation to Block Online E-Cigarette Sales to Minors
This is what snus users have been dealing with for years. It makes shipping pretty darn expensive and I think will pave the way for them to start collecting taxes.
And support for the bill includes the "National Association of Convenience Stores and Society of Independent Gasoline Marketers of America". I guess the gas stations and convenience stores really don't want competition. Nope, no industry lobbyist work involved here, folks. Only protect the children.
I am confused by this one:
"A recent survey published in the American Journal of Health Promotion found that 32 percent of underage e-cigarette users reported purchasing products online, making online sales the single largest source of purchases for underage users."
So, where is the other 68% coming from?
I actually agree with the present FDA standing on regulation of e-cigarettes to teenagers. They are targeting youth purchases under 18 and urging users to make sure that their ecig has the listed safety devices to prevent meltdown. I'm not sure what restrictions on vape shop juice mixing facilities being termed as manufacturers will turn into over time, but we all want clean facilities mixing our juice if we choose to buy it rather than make it ourselves. I wonder if the local FDA office actually visits vape shops to ensure that their juice lab meets standards.
Right now, our chief issue is teenagers under 18 are obviously vaping. When I was growing up they were also obtaining alcohol through their older friends. That was almost impossible to control. As long as teens are vaping we will have FDA looking at ways to discourage its attractiveness to teens.
Right now, our chief issue is teenagers under 18 are obviously vaping. When I was growing up they were also obtaining alcohol through their older friends. That was almost impossible to control. As long as teens are vaping we will have FDA looking at ways to discourage its attractiveness to teens.
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If that legislation passes then USPS will no longer be able to deliver ecig products and we will be paying for UPS with adult signature which if ordered from a US vendor will probably be $15-$20. If the overseas vendors comply then it might be as much as getting snus shipped from overseas which is usually $30-$40. When I first started using snus, I'd place small orders and pay around $5 for shipping. Now I order once or twice a year to make the shipping charge worthwhile. I think it could really cut down on business for vendors. For example, all of a sudden the new atty/rta is selling for $25 but do you want it bad enough to pay $40-$45 with shipping? I really hope this one doesn't pass but they had no problem passing it on snus and other tobacco products. After all, I'm sure the kids won't figure out how to get past the age verification online.
Didn't McConnell say they were introducing a bill to increase the age to 21? That would obviously be a different bill than this one, but I admit I have no knowledge what else is in McConnell's bill. Trump came out in support of an increase in age as well. I think if that bill does offer less restriction regarding shipping requirements it might be far more likely to pass than this one. Especially about collecting state and local taxes based specifically on tobacco. That would be virtually impossible to meet, especially if local licensing laws and licenses are required.
If that happens then the FDA might as well just toss out the whole approval process as anything they approve still couldn't be purchased online, and all that would be left is 7 Eleven oriented products.
If that happens then the FDA might as well just toss out the whole approval process as anything they approve still couldn't be purchased online, and all that would be left is 7 Eleven oriented products.
Raise the smoking age to twenty-one; lower the voting age to sixteen. Wise enough to choose leaders; to dumb to decide on tobacco. Gotta love it.
WHAT? If you are serious, our country is in worse shape than I thought. What I said was polar opposite of anything Che Guevara stood for.Never seen a Horselady wearing a Che Guevara Tshirt .... before
Note: Nevermind. You're from the UK, I see. Perhaps that explains your ignorance of America's founding principles.
One other thing, if USPS couldn't ship ecig stuff, I would think that would really put a hurt on them. I wonder if anyone in the government thought about that? I can't imagine how many ecig packages a day that USPS handles. I know for sure they had the two I received yesterday.
It always amazes me when someone disagrees with an opinion they immediately compare them to the worst person they can think of whether there is any correlation or not.
I get the impression that she didn't really comprehend what Horselady was saying, or doesn't really know who Che Guevara was, or both. Or maybe just bad at metaphors.
I'm confused by it too. Maybe I don't understand the dynamics of US households these days, but are that many minors at their own homes, using their credit cards, and accepting delivery? Sure, I know there are situations with so many working parents where it happens, but so many that this is the best means to keep e-cigarettes out of their possession?
I would want to be sure I understood what was said and intended before I dig up the memory of an evil person in which to compare them to.
guys, relax a bit, I was relating only to the fact that you sounded a bit revolutionary that's it.
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