Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Yep, I do something similar. I spend most of my time here in FL now, but I do not keep most of my nicotine here. I had more here prior to Matthew in 2016, but hauled some of it out when we bugged out three days ahead of the storm. One does not stay in a house 150' from the ocean that's less than 10' above sea level when there's a major hurricane predicted to pass right off-shore. Heck, I doubt I have much more than 10 years worth here now. The rest is about a 9 hour drive from here.
You would go "there".
The dictionary and science still identifies nicotine as a drug. The federal government (Sottera ruling) conveniently identifies it as a tobacco product.
Well, if the ruling had gone the other way and the FedGov had been allowed to continue regard it as a drug rather than a tobacco product, vaping would have been shut down 10 years ago, before most of us ever had a chance to try it. So I'm not sure what why there's an eye-roll in there.The dictionary and science still identifies nicotine as a drug. The federal government (Sottera ruling) conveniently identifies it as a tobacco product.
Because almost everyone agrees that nicotine is a drug. That's what science calls it. Yes, we vapers enjoyed the temporary convenience of the government calling it a tobacco product, but lets call a spade a spade.
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OK, but I for one am grateful for that temporary convenience.
You do understand that FDA approval standards for drugs and drug-delivery devices are even more restrictive that the tobacco product PMTA requirements, right?
I mean there's absolutely nothing that would prevent someone from submitting a vape device to the FDA for approval as a smoking cessation aid. But there's a reason why nobody has...
Nicotine is literally a drug no matter what source it’s derived from. The law may say differently but let’s not muddy the water too much.
Modern cube freezers are incredibly well insulated, the nic itself, or rather the PG / VG carrier, serves as a heat sink, so it would act as a means to keep the freezer cold from any heat sneaking its way in. The extra volume of frozen water adds a buffer layer, but then again, if its an extended power outage, you add liquid water into the box...
By definition, essentially everything is a drug. Caffeine tablets are a drug, Calcium carbonate, chalk, is a drug (Tums or as a vitamin supplement in the vitamin aisle), really even vitamins are drugs, but were excluded from FDA review thanks to legislation pushed though by Sen Orrin Hatch of Utah, the home of the vitamin industry. The idea behind the Dietary Supplement Act was they were chemicals/vitamins.minerals/drugs already present in foods we eat, so shouldn't be regulated like a drug. Of course you don't eat a gram of vitamin C in your food, but no problem buying the pure, higher dose version at the Vitamin Shoppe without any particular regulation (and no, it doesn't cure colds).
Maybe if we ate tobacco we'd be protected under that giant loophole of an industry free to sell whatever it wants and only gets called out after the fact if and when their product is associated with making people ill. Not sure if chewing tobacco would fly.
Interesting if you go look at the companies sent warning letters, the vast majority of the products were nic salt juices. Maybe they're claiming nic salts weren't around in 2016, unlike regular nic juice. If that's the case, a major headache for Juul, but the flip side is why no warning letter to Juul to begin with as their the largest seller of nic salt products on the market? But as normal logic is off the table, we might as well be reading tea leaves. Or tobacco leaves as we extract our own nic.
Maybe if we ate tobacco we'd be protected under that giant loophole of an industry free to sell whatever it wants and only gets called out after the fact if and when their product is associated with making people ill. Not sure if chewing tobacco would fly.
Interesting if you go look at the companies sent warning letters, the vast majority of the products were nic salt juices. Maybe they're claiming nic salts weren't around in 2016, unlike regular nic juice. If that's the case, a major headache for Juul, but the flip side is why no warning letter to Juul to begin with as their the largest seller of nic salt products on the market? But as normal logic is off the table, we might as well be reading tea leaves. Or tobacco leaves as we extract our own nic.
Juul (with their nic salt) was available for well over a year before the 8/8/16 cut-off. I'm 100% certain of this because I tried one and posted about it here on ECF in 2015. So they're allowed to continue to sell until the PMTA deadline 9 months from now.
However, very few (if any?) other commercial salt products were on the market before the 8/8/16 cut-off.
By the reasoning behind the Dietary Supplement Act, nicotine should never be regulated as a drug, since it's in tomatoes, eggplant, potatoes, cauliflower, and peppers. And tea, which I didn't know till today.
Is caffeine is a drug? Is ethanol is a drug? I think there should be some controls and consumer protections but let’s not get carried away.
Yeah. To a lot of people a drug is something illegal you buy on the street. To a doctor it's something they give you to fix your ailments. A dictionary might give you another definition. The only definition that matters is what the regulations say.
Yup, and they have deemed nicotine to be a tobacco product ... and I don't think a re-deeming would bring any redemption.
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