Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[ENAUD]

All they have to do is deny any PMTA for 100 MG/ML nic , problem solved, choke off the nic and no more DIY market. How many suppliers are there for Nic base?, How many will remain after a letter from the FDA...How many could survive the possible fines the FDA could impose on them for non compliance...time...is short.

The cleanest nic I have tasted comes from critical CO2 extraction methods. I'm imagining that this is serious lab geek type stuff, but when tons of dollars can be had, smart industrious folks will ALWAYS get busy and do the work to make the invisible hand work it's magic...age old game, rules never change. Risk/profit/motivation...

 

[Doffy]

saw this elsewhere FDA orders four companies to stop selling flavored e-cigarette, hookah products

sorry if it has been posted already

 

[stratus.vaping]

All they have to do is deny any PMTA for 100 MG/ML nic , problem solved, choke off the nic and no more DIY market. How many suppliers are there for Nic base?, How many will remain after a letter from the FDA...How many could survive the possible fines the FDA could impose on them for non compliance...time...is short.

The cleanest nic I have tasted comes from critical CO2 extraction methods. I'm imagining that this is serious lab geek type stuff, but when tons of dollars can be had, smart industrious folks will ALWAYS get busy and do the work to make the invisible hand work it's magic...age old game, rules never change. Risk/profit/motivation...

Agreed, vape retail will then magically appear on the darknet, various alleyway markets on Tor and elsewhere. That will then give more populist ammunition to those who want to lock down the net in the West, imho ofc.

 

[YorkMan]

I have developed a plan! I need to buy and hold 1 liter of 100mg nicotine to allow time for things to shake out if it is banned. Darn, I wasn’t going to buy anything today.

 

[ENAUD]

Agreed, vape retail will then magically appear on the darknet, various alleyway markets on Tor and elsewhere. That will then give more populist ammunition to those who want to lock down the net in the West, imho ofc.

Storm Area 51, they are already working on that pesky internet "problem".

 

[stols001]

I am shiniyitisly stocked, plus things like 8 Eleaf Invokes and a bunch of tanks etc. Still working on coils (and I can get by I just want to have them.) I also want 2 more liters of nic I'm not entirely sure I need. But, I will be getting it, that is for sure.

Anna

 

[Bronze]

Best vendors for nic? And why are they the best??

 

[Rossum]

I have developed a plan! I need to buy and hold 1 liter of 100mg nicotine to allow time for things to shake out if it is banned. Darn, I wasn’t going to buy anything today.

One whole liter? Don't go crazy now!

ETA, in all seriousness: That's a good start.

 

[Rossum]

Best vendors for nic? And why are they the best??

IMO (and only if price doesn't factor into "best"):

• Nude Nicotine because you can buy their Armor V1 that's freezer-ready, argon-purged, in glass bottles, and it's a very clean conventionally extracted nic.
• Carolina Extracts due to the supercritcal CO2 extraction process they use.

 

[Bronze]

IMO (and only if price doesn't factor into "best"):

• Nude Nicotine because you can buy their Armor V1 that's freezer-ready, argon-purged, in glass bottles, and it's a very clean conventionally extracted nic.
• Carolina Extracts due to the supercritcal CO2 extraction process they use.

Do they impart any flavor?

 

[YorkMan]

One whole liter? Don't go crazy now!

ETA, in all seriousness: That's a good start.

Well I was just going to bury head in sand so this is a better plan I hope.

 

[Rossum]

Do they impart any flavor?

Flavor is such a subjective thing that I don't think it's possible to give a meaningful answer. IMO, all nic imparts some "flavor". The question is whether it's clean, or peppery, or like a dirty ashtray. Way back in 2015 I ran a blind test with 10-12 people here in the big Nicotine Comparisons thread. Nude came out the clear winner, despite two of the other nics being substantially more expensive.

 

[Rossum]

PSA for those of you who still need nic: Wait a couple of months until the weather cools off. It's not a happy situation for nic base to be sitting in 100+F trucks for days while being transported. I hope I don't come to regret saying this, but I think y'all have got all winter to get stocked up.

 

[YorkMan]

Great info I’m gonna get some!

Oh, and 1L at 100mg/ml will make me 33L juice at 3mg, that should buy some time for me.

 

[Bronze]

IMO (and only if price doesn't factor into "best"):

• Nude Nicotine because you can buy their Armor V1 that's freezer-ready, argon-purged, in glass bottles, and it's a very clean conventionally extracted nic.
• Carolina Extracts due to the supercritcal CO2 extraction process they use.

Dang. Carolina Extracts is just down the road from me.

 

[Rossum]

Dang. Carolina Extracts is just down the road from me.

How big is your freezer?

 

[Rossum]

PSA for those of you who still need nic: Wait a couple of months until the weather cools off. It's not a happy situation for nic base to be sitting in 100+F trucks for days while being transported. I hope I don't come to regret saying this, but I think y'all have got all winter to get stocked up.

Quoting myself so nobody misses what I wanted to add here:

Use the next couple of months to make sure you have freezer space available, and that you have glass bottles ready if you're gonna buy nic that comes to you in plastic.

 

[Bronze]

Flavor is such a subjective thing that I don't think it's possible to give a meaningful answer. IMO, all nic imparts some "flavor". The question is whether it's clean, or peppery, or like a dirty ashtray. Way back in 2015 I ran a blind test with 10-12 people here in the big Nicotine Comparisons thread. Nude came out the clear winner, despite two of the other nics being substantially more expensive.

That's what scares me about nic and PG/VG. Flavorings can mask only so much. If you go out and get a barrel of these base ingredients and it turns out to taste like bat poo then the only value you get is the barrel itself. I can see where sampling is critical here. As you say, waiting for cooler weather would probably be smart but perhaps starting the sampling process using small quantities would be wise to begin now.

 

[Bronze]

How big is your freezer?

My garage is 576 SF.

 

[Bronze]

Quoting myself so nobody misses what I wanted to add here:

Use the next couple of months to make sure you have freezer space available, and that you have glass bottles ready if you're gonna buy nic that comes to you in plastic.

Wonder if a vacuum sealer could be incorporated into this process.