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When ordering nic is there a preference for it to be in pg or vg? Does one store better in the freezer?
What is the timeline for spoilage should they be forced to be in room temp for an indefinite amount of time?
What is the timeline for spoilage should they be forced to be in room temp for an indefinite amount of time?
Would it make sense then to pick the one that will be in it’s “better” state for the most amount of time? Or would the less ideal’s short time do an amount of damage that would outweigh the long term ideal’s benefit?
That reads confusing. Since it will be frozen longer than it travels, would we want to cater to that ideal or would the time in transit do so much damage that it would outweigh the benefit of it being frozen in it’s ideal solution?
That reads confusing. Since it will be frozen longer than it travels, would we want to cater to that ideal or would the time in transit do so much damage that it would outweigh the benefit of it being frozen in it’s ideal solution?
Kurt thought VG should be better primarily due to its higher viscosity. I've not seen a big difference so far, but I missed the two year point on my samples in PA that in include both. I should have an update in the Experiment thread by early September.
I guess it depends what you mean by spoilage. Nic base isn't like milk or meat, where it stays good for a while and then suddenly goes obviously bad. In almost all my room temperature samples, I started seeing obviously visible signs of oxidation after only a few weeks. These got worse in a fairly linear way for a year or so and then slowed down some. Now I have little doubt that this nic kept at room temperature would still be effective; there's just not enough oxygen present in a sealed bottle to ruin more than a very small percentage of it. But that small percentage is enough to make it smell and taste like crap.
If you're serious about stockpiling nic, find a way to keep it cold. In the short term (weeks to months) your fridge is undoubtedly better than room temperature. But if you're going for long term (years or even decades), either make room in the freezer you already have, or if necessary, or spend the $150-200 that a small freezer costs.
How would you describe the flavor of it when it becomes bad? I’ve seen you say “peppery” before. Is it something that could potentially be masked with flavorings or does it degrade in a way that your senses want nothing to do with it?
it is not terrible
years ago, even premium nic was more "peppery" than the modern stuff will be after years
it loses potency though. I've only seen backyard tests, and the worst result of those (no lid, in sunlight, in a hot climate) lost approx 1% p/month. So correctly stored will be very slow
I have nic that was stored in a closet for 8 years and it is fine. A bit peppery but as Doffy stated, it was peppery to begin with. Color did darken a bit.
I have been using the freezer for all the others but did leave that original one as an experiment, sort of.
I have been using the freezer for all the others but did leave that original one as an experiment, sort of.
I have not yet had the fun of peppery nic. If I were not wedded to VG nic I'd probably buy 50/50 simply because it's less viscous but maybe it would freeze the best? IDK. Being PG sensitive I have to buy VG nic.
But my nic stash is holding up fine, and if as a very old lady I am vaping peppery nic, and I can't get more, I will have to deal Etc.
Anna
But my nic stash is holding up fine, and if as a very old lady I am vaping peppery nic, and I can't get more, I will have to deal Etc.
Anna
It's been the better part of four years since I mixed with and vaped base that was left at room temperature for any length of time, and flavor is of course subjective. To me, it was just a nondescript kind of kinda nasty, and that was after a few months, although with a lot of head-space in the bottles. I vaped it anyway because I'm a waste-not, want-not kinda guy, but I was sure glad when it was gone and I got to mix a new batch using "fresh" nic from my freezer.
Now I recently caught a whiff of one of my two year old room temperature samples when I briefly opened the bottle to answer another member's question whether that vendor uses an additional seal under the cap, and I cannot see myself mixing with or vaping that. It smelled quite awful.
my first few batches were from the store colloquially named "the naughty shop" because the url www.e-cig.com was profanity filtered
one batch was pink, pepper A F
but, i was used to it after 2 squonk bottles, and didn't notice anymore
one batch was pink, pepper A F
but, i was used to it after 2 squonk bottles, and didn't notice anymore
And you've never met a true prepper until you know people that have buried 3 feet deep in their yard far higher concentrations than we are allowed to discuss. In case raiding homes happens
I know of people who've buried stashes of stuff like that, but it ain't nicotine...And you've never met a true prepper until you know people that have buried 3 feet deep in their yard far higher concentrations than we are allowed to discuss. In case raiding homes happens
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My two liters are broken down and stored in the freezer at 0 degrees F in 240ml clear glass bottles so that I can monitor color change (if it happens). They are wrapped in paper towels inside heavy duty zip locks in a cardboard box for light protection when the freezer is opened. So far, all clear, (yes, I peek about once a year) including the one I keep in the fridge for DIY. The one in the fridge is still clear and it's wrapped in several layers of paper towels inside a zip lock for light reduction.
At my 3mg/ml juice mix strength those two liters are good for 18 years vaping.
At my 3mg/ml juice mix strength those two liters are good for 18 years vaping.
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I can't bury stuff in the yard because I would forget where it is and never find it. I'm like that, yes I am. I do occasionally find money I have hidden in the house, that is a bonus. With all the prepping, I don't think I have any money left to hide anywhere.
I did try to find a couple evods for a neighbor this morning and gave up with all the boxes of stuff I have here.
I did try to find a couple evods for a neighbor this morning and gave up with all the boxes of stuff I have here.
Back in 2010 and later, when I first started vaping most nic was a little peppery (and I was fresh off the cigs). The products have gotten better with volume created by millions of vapers buying direct or through through juice vendors and the vendor stock rotating faster, IMO. The nic of today is clearer and without so much of the peppery taste, although I like a hint of pepper in my tobacco flavors.
Peppery flavor also depends on the nic level you vape. I can sense that more in the 12mg unflavored I mix vs the 3mg/ml I mix for a daily vape. I usually fill a tank with the 12mg unflavored if I'm going out for a while. I don't have to hit it so often.
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I keep my nic in the freezer. The nic I'm using now is over 4 years old and it's clear as the day I got it. Every couple of months I make up 8mg base to use for mixing and I leave that out on a shelf. Never noticed any taste problem from that. I don't have very sensitive tasting skills though. I wonder if 8mg base goes off faster or slower than 100mg.
At one time I kept the 8mg pre-mixed base in the freezer, but that was inconvenient. These days I mix juice a bottle at a time on the fly and it was a pain having to leave it out overnight to thaw. I guess it could go in the fridge. Haven't been able to do that for a couple of years because I had a granddaughter and her pre school age kid staying here. She finished college and they moved out last month so the fridge is mine again.
Also, copy and paste this to a word doc or something. For if they find the buried stash
Kitchen WTA extraction method. | E-Cigarette Forum
Kitchen WTA extraction method. | E-Cigarette Forum
I once vaped 100% PG juices.
I've balanced my DIY mix at 50/50, but I still tend to buy nic in 100% PG mix and let the calculator figure it out.
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