Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Baditude]

Gregory Conley on Health Concerns Related to Vaping and E-Cigarettes | C-SPAN.org

Finally an unbiased and factual interview. Bravo to CSpan.

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[Alexander Mundy]

Gregory Conley on Health Concerns Related to Vaping and E-Cigarettes | C-SPAN.org

Finally an unbiased and factual interview. Bravo to CSpan.

Please share this with family, friends, and your social media.

I have to say, Greg has been profoundly level headed and a great spokesperson in all the interviews I've seen, even the ones where he is relentlessly attacked. Great to see an interview where he isn't attacked by the interviewer.

 

[Zazie]

That was refreshing.

 

[boriqua75]

Anyone think the impeachment will distract states from further banning? Will it stop the banning since he started it?

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[boriqua75]

So if we get our juice from China, which ones are safe?

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[Eskie]

Anyone think the impeachment will distract states from further banning? Will it stop the banning since he started it?

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Just move the ban stories off the front page. As to executive action on the federal level, I think folks there will be a bit preoccupied to revisit the vaping flavor thing.

 

[zoiDman]

Anyone think the impeachment will distract states from further banning? Will it stop the banning since he started it?

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Individual States? Don't think it will have Any effect Good or Bad.

What would have an Impact is if we could get a Judge to make a Scathing Rebuke of a State in an Emergency Injunction.

But right Now we are 0 - 1.

 

[AttyPops]

That light at the end of the tunnel? It's a train, and it's heading TOWARD smokers and vapers. We vapers are just the easy target. And to a large degree, it's the pendulum swinging back in the other direction, since BT spent a lot of money funding movies and TV and ads with smoking in them. So now we go the other way and expunge all traces, even to the point of removing history. Thus:
Tobacco bowdlerization - Wikipedia

None of the judges are going to come to anyone's rescue. None of the politicians are going to listen. The healthcare costs are too high. If we're really lucky, they'll leave us nic-users options, but they'll probably be expensive. And they'll keep lying as they advance their plan toward the real target: smoking, and I suppose nic-addiction in general.

 

[zoiDman]

That light at the end of the tunnel? It's a train, and it's heading TOWARD smokers and vapers. We vapers are just the easy target. And to a large degree, it's the pendulum swinging back in the other direction, since BT spent a lot of money funding movies and TV and ads with smoking in them. So now we go the other way and expunge all traces, even to the point of removing history. Thus:
Tobacco bowdlerization - Wikipedia

None of the judges are going to come to anyone's rescue. None of the politicians are going to listen. The healthcare costs are too high. If we're really lucky, they'll leave us nic-users options, but they'll probably be expensive. And they'll keep lying as they advance their plan toward the real target: smoking, and I suppose nic-addiction in general.

 

[dedi]

Gregory Conley on Health Concerns Related to Vaping and E-Cigarettes | C-SPAN.org

Finally an unbiased and factual interview. Bravo to CSpan.

Please share this with family, friends, and your social media.

BRAVO to Greg and CSpan!

 

[Rossum]

Thus:
Tobacco bowdlerization - Wikipedia

I did the NASA's KSC tour some years ago. They have the entire Saturn launch control room there, supposedly exactly as it was during the Apollo era. I pointed out to the tour guide that it wasn't really as it was then, because there wasn't a single ashtray at any of the consoles.

It all reminds me of this:

 

[AttyPops]

They removed him, or added him? (and who?)

 

[Rossum]

They removed him, or added him? (and who?)

Long Before Photoshop, the Soviets Mastered the Art of Erasing People from Photographs — and History Too | Open Culture

 

[AttyPops]

 

[englishmick]

None of the judges are going to come to anyone's rescue. None of the politicians are going to listen. The healthcare costs are too high.

The health care costs of smoking are high for us drones, from their side it just looks like profit, and consequently contributions. Keep the Money moving in the right direction rather than leaving it in our pockets. The opposite is true of vaping.

 

[AttyPops]

The health care costs of smoking are high for us drones, from their side it just looks like profit, and consequently contributions. Keep the Money moving in the right direction rather than leaving it in our pockets. The opposite is true of vaping.

It's also expenses. I doubt the tobacco taxes make enough money to cover the total Healthcare costs of smoking related issues. It was a "settlement" not a panacea.

BT has spent about 145 billion over the last 20 years on the settlement payments.

Nearly twenty years later, the tobacco companies have paid a staggering $119.5 billion to the states and territories participating in the MSA and another $25.4 billion to the four states with their own agreements.

(Up In Smoke: What Happened to the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement Money?)

Yet, the estimated annual costs to society are ostensibly 300 billion annually.

Smoking-related illness in the United States costs more than $300 billion each year, including:11,12

• Nearly $170 billion for direct medical care for adults
• More than $156 billion in lost productivity, including $5.6 billion in lost productivity due to secondhand smoke exposure

Economic Trends in Tobacco

So if expenses are reduced, that's as good as income.

Now for the Tobacco industry, that's also a multi-billion dollar industry. But things like iQOS and I suppose nic for BT's e-cigs as well as exports can continue in the smokeless future.

Particularly if the "backroom deal" comes up with low-nic or no-nic cigs too. Which is why I'm betting that will appear soon. It's already a stated goal.

 

[f1vefour]

What's the figure, 80% of vaping is already owned by BT with Vuse, Blu, and Juul already? We're tiny in comparison. Amazing if they spent time to kill off that 20%, especially if it means giving up flavors on their own products. In the meantime there was this little quote off of wnbc this morning. I guess we know who's ' profiting from this stuff going on.

"Altria Group Inc. said that K.C. Crosthwaite will become JUUL's new CEO, replacing Burns. Crosthwaite served as Altria's chief growth officer."

"Philip Morris International Inc. CEO André Calantzopoulos said Wednesday that the companies will instead focus on launching IQOS in the U.S. IQOS is a heat-not-burn cigarette alternative made by Philip Morris.

It was Crosthwaite, who will take over Juul, who headed the development of IQOS.

Altria's stock climbed 3.5% before the market opened, while shares of Philip Morris jumped 7.7%."

Juul to End Advertising and Lobbying Efforts of E-Cigarette

Phillip Morris backed out of the deal with Juul

Altria - Investors - Press Release

 

[englishmick]

It's also expenses. I doubt the tobacco taxes make enough money to cover the total Healthcare costs of smoking related issues. It was a "settlement" not a panacea.

The taxes on cigs go to the government, but they don't pay the healthcare costs, we do. MS money goes to the States. A win for BT selling cigs. A win for BP who rake it in for COPD drugs and nic patches. A win for Big Insurance taking their huge cut from healthcare provision. BT and BP and BI contribute to politicians. It's all win for government, and everyone else who matters.

I don't see the motivation for government to get rid of smoking.

 

[AttyPops]

The taxes on cigs go to the government, but they don't pay the healthcare costs, we do. MS money goes to the States. A win for BT selling cigs. A win for BP who rake it in for COPD drugs and nic patches. A win for Big Insurance taking their huge cut from healthcare provision. BT and BP and BI contribute to politicians. It's all win for government, and everyone else who matters.

I don't see the motivation for government to get rid of smoking.

Do the math. Even if you disregard the alleged productivity losses, those figures show that the expense/cost side to healthcare are over 20 times what they make from the MSA. And a good portion of the HC costs are born out in state costs at some point.

Let's put it this way: if I give you 100 bucks, but increase your costs by 2,000 bucks, did you get a deal by focusing on that 100 bucks revenue and are you trying to increase it? Or are you trying to reduce the 2,000 buck costs?

Remember we're talking congress critters and BT and FDA and big deals here. National costs, big picture.

Also, yet another way, do you really think they're not focusing on the 500,000 smoking related deaths per year? They are, but they aren't admitting it yet. You watch. It will unfold.

 

[englishmick]

Do the math. Even if you disregard the alleged productivity losses, those figures show that the expense/cost side to healthcare are over 20 times what they make from the MSA. And a good portion of the HC costs are born out in state costs at some point.

Let's put it this way: if I give you 100 bucks, but increase your costs by 2,000 bucks, did you get a deal by focusing on that 100 bucks revenue and are you trying to increase it? Or are you trying to reduce the 2,000 buck costs?

Remember we're talking congress critters and BT and FDA and big deals here. National costs, big picture.

Also, yet another way, do you really think they're not focusing on the 500,000 smoking related deaths per year? They are, but they aren't admitting it yet. You watch. It will unfold.

I guess there are costs to the government. Lost productivity means less taxes collected. Some health care costs are covered by Fed or State governments. I have no idea how much of the cost of health care is covered by State or Fed money.

I can believe that the cost of treating sick smokers is 20 times the MS payments. Does anyone know how much of those costs are coming out of the pockets of health insurance buyers and how much is shouldered by the government? It's a complicated equation. A lot of sick smokers are older and on Medicare. We pay for Medicare from what they take out of our paycheck. Medicaid not so much. Working folks with insurance pay themselves.

Still, all of it trying to guess what is motivating politicians. Sometimes they surprise me, mostly not.