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If Schuchat didn't/doesn't Understand vaping (which about Nobody thinks she is/was) then she is Negligently Unqualified and Unfit to hold a position providing guidance to the Implementation of Public Health Policy in the USA.
I try to be sympathetic... However, watch this interview from the beginning until 3:46 -- and see the conclusion the reporter draws from her muddled communication. This is likely the same message much of the public draws from her statements. In my previous mind's eye, I felt this was deliberate. However, subsequently I watched this video where she communicates well.

So perhaps, rather than deceit, we are seeing professional reserve for absolute judgement leak into her communications. However, this is a decidedly bad in public communication with lives at stake.

She needs to state the CDC recommendations to the public. Period. Stop. End of statement. And then, if required, qualify with "what we know now", qualifiers, and ambiguity. However, Schuchat leads with the qualifiers and ambiguity and then, after seeing the resulting confusion, states the recommendations.

She definitely needs training in her communications with the public and media.
 

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I try to be sympathetic... However, watch this interview from the beginning until 3:46 -- and see the conclusion the reporter draws from her muddled communication. This is likely the same message much of the public draws from her statements. In my previous mind's eye, I felt this was deliberate. However, subsequently I watched this video where she communicates well.

So perhaps, rather than deceit, we are seeing professional reserve for absolute judgement leak into her communications. However, this is a decidedly bad in public communication with lives at stake.

She needs to state the CDC recommendations to the public. Period. Stop. End of statement. And then, if required, qualify with "what we know now", qualifiers, and ambiguity. However, Schuchat leads with the qualifiers and ambiguity and then, after seeing the resulting confusion, states the recommendations.

She definitely needs training in her communications with the public and media.

The Problem is you Can't put the toothpaste Back in the Tube once it is Out. So at this point, it really Doesn't matter what the CDC Says or Does.

The CDC Can't really make the Situation any Worse in the Eyes of the Uniformed Public. And they Can't Really make it any Better either.

The CDC Leadership as well as Schuchat's knew Exactly how the CDC's wishy-washy comments were going to be perceived. And the Flames it would Fan in our Hype Driven Media and Congress. Just like Slantz at UCSF know's how His comments will be taken.

But they Made a Conscious Effort to Go Down that Road. Knowing Full Well what it would Do.

That Isn't Science or Fact Based Public Health Policy. That is Promotion of Agenda using the Power of One's Organization.
 
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They don't explain it though.

I mean, on the one hand, it's not bad, since if they reduce nic most smokers will smoke MORE cigs to get their nic, which should be worse for health. And of course, if you're in the "save the kiddies" camp, you know damn well the kids will either vape or if they smoke, they can spike the cigs with nic spray from big phrama. Higher nic cigs make for lower consumption in theory.

The whole thing, vaping and smoking, is really about reducing youth access to any of it. And you don't do that by destroying vape shops (which are the ones that card the best).

FDA spokesman Michael Felberbaum said that the removal of the plans “does not mean the agency does not consider them a priority or will not continue to work on their development.”

“The agency has focused on regulations that reflect its most immediate priorities,” Felberbaum said in an email. “FDA continues to gather evidence and data on an ongoing basis regarding all tobacco products.”
 

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While more ambivalent towards Schuchat, make no mistake the full power of a propaganda and information war is aimed squarely at us. Here's a textbook example produced by "CNN Health" that perfectly illustrates many of the fundamentals; emotional appeals (children and moms, puppies, etc.), subliminal imagery, voices of authority, and rapid context shifts between the unrelated i.e. nicotine vaping and the death, horror, and shock of illicit THC cartridges contaminated with vitamin E acetate. There is no mistaking the deliberate intent to conflate and misinform. And the music! OMG, the music. Tell me this music doesn't invoke a sunny, happy day at the beach with family as a savage killer circles ever closer for the ensuing blood feast and carnage...

Edit: Might be excellent to see this CNN report publicly dissected and compared against facts. Anyone have the right connections to known media or advertising expertise?
 
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Oh, it's a plot alright. An out and out conspiracy. They're all singing from the same hymnal. And they're not being forthcoming to the masses, they're manipulating us like sheep.

Now, most observers agree that many aliens are insect-like. And we all know nic is an insecticide.
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This explanation is as good as any. Or I suppose you can go with the BT money and Wall Street theory. But if they're NOT going after the nic in cigs, I don't know what the hell is going on.
 

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Trump to meet with vaping industry, public health advocates Friday as he mulls banning flavored e-cigarettes

Even more reason to be calling and tweeting...


PLEASE KEEP UP THE PRESSURE!!! Here is what you can be doing to help:

* Call the White House at 202-456-1111 or 202-456-1414 and leave a comment for the President telling him how vaping has saved your life and that flavors matter!! Also that you vape and you vote!

* Tag Trump on Twitter and Facebook (mainly twitter) and tell him how vaping has saved your life and that flavors matter!! Also that you vape and you vote!

* Tweet the Surgeon General, Secretary Alex Azar, Brad Parscale Trump's campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, and FDA Tobacco. Tell them how vaping has saved your life and that flavors matter!! Also that you vape and you vote!

People to @mention
@realDonaldTrump @KellyannePolls @JeromeAdamsMD @SecAzar @parscale @FDATobacco

Tags to use
#WeVapeWeVote #vapingsaveslives #flavorssavelives #QuitLying



This fight is FAR FROM OVER! DO NOT REST ; DO NOT STOP KEEP FIGHTING!
 
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Don't think this load of pure, unadulterated crap has has been posted yet. (Warning: Take a good stiff drink before reading.) AMA calls for total ban on all e-cigarette, vaping products :-x

My commentary:

The AMA cites a surge in underage teen use of e-cigarettes as a reason for calling for a total ban on e-cigarettes. Really? Yet more teens use alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana, than those who vape e-cigarettes according to a recent study done by the FDA. It thought the AMA based their public policies on science, not on knee jerk political positions. Maybe I was wrong.

Experimenting once, twice, or even a few times with an e-cigarette for curiosity's sake does not fall into the category of an "epidemic". I experimented with a lot of adult things before I was 21 but that didn't make me an addict or even a "user".

“It’s simple, we must keep nicotine products out of the hands of young people.” Dr. Patrice Harris, AMA’s president, said in a statement. The Vaping Trade Association agrees that nicotine products must be kept out of the hands of young people. Members of this group promote strict age verification like adult vape shops use.

However, e-cigarettes made and sold by Big Tobacco companies such as Juul, Blu, and Vuse, who together own at least 60% of the vape market, sell their products in gas stations and convenience stores which often don't use strict age verification. This allows kids easier access to their products.

Kids' desire to "Juul" is for the "head rush" they get from the unusually high nicotine in this specific product, and not for the flavors, which is often mistakenly attributed to their popularity among youth. The manufacturers of Juul, Blu, and Vuse are not members of the Vapor Trade Association.

The AMA also comments on the recent vape-related lung illnesses and deaths as a reason for their recommendation for a ban. The FDA and CDC have both publically stated that this crisis was caused from some users using black market THC cartridges sold on street corners, and had nothing to do with legal nicotine vape products sold in legitimate stores.

Such poor research by the AMA disqualifies their recommendation for an all out vaping ban, damages their credibility, and does a disservice to public health. Prohibition has never been a viable solution, it just creates a black market.

The UK's Public Health England has reported e-cigarettes are 95% safer than smoking tobacco cigarettes. 480,000 smokers die every year from the effects of smoking. In a decade of use, no one has died from the effects of vaping nicotine e-cigarettes and has saved at least 13 million lives by switching from tobacco cigarette use.
 
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Interesting...from the link...

"There are only 132,133 practicing physicians who are AMA members. That's 12.1%" :shock:

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I don’t know any practicing doctors who ARE AMA members. It moved too far from being an organization to support MDs to being an advocacy group for pet causes. And, membership is far from cheap! You started to see the drop in membership about ten years ago at least.
 

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I don’t know any practicing doctors who ARE AMA members. It moved too far from being an organization to support MDs to being an advocacy group for pet causes. And, membership is far from cheap! You started to see the drop in membership about ten years ago at least.

Sounds like the American Bar Association.
 

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I don’t know any practicing doctors who ARE AMA members.

:) DH stopped paying his dues about 10 years ago (I swear) when I asked him why exactly he was a member of AMA. He stared at me--and that was that... DD, still in med school, has no desire to join. But both are getting tons of letters begging them to join.

AMA is totally, pathetically, irrelevant.
 

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