Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Myrany]

That's what I've been saying.

So have I for quite awhile. Then again you and I have been in this fight for a long time. I think we have both hit the point where we approach anything announced with a critical level of scrutiny regardless of what camp it comes from. I won't get excited until the first open system gets through PMTA or PMTA is altered/removed to keep what we have. Neither of which do I believe will happen without a miracle of epic proportions.

Lets face it about the only thing that MIGHT be able to get through the PMTA process is a cigalike or pod system and extremely closed system. What is being gone after hard? Closed pod systems. That is not a coincidence imo.

 

[zoiDman]

... So far more questions than answers. On-line sales? Flavors for adults in B&M shops? How do they define the difference between tanks and pods? Refillable means tank? Are they aware that a lot of pods are refillable? Have they found out about DIY?

Either they are prevaricating because they haven't locked down the details yet, or the guy who can do sentences and long words hasn't been interviewed yet. Guess we just have to wait a little longer to find out.

If you want to Know what is going on, It is really Very Simple.

You go to the OMB and Read the RIN for the Executive Order and it will have the Exact Details. Devoid of all the Hype and Campaign slogans. Or the Spin the average Media Outlet puts on things.

But that is what kristin and Myself were mentioning earlier. That when you go to the OMB Dashboard, this is all you get...

View Rule

 

[Rossum]

That's the first time I have ever heard anyone refer to Trump as "caring". lol I think re-election is the more likely cause of his change of heart.

I am not sure where you are getting your information, but it seems a bit outdated. Senate confirms Trump appointee Stephen Hahn to lead FDA

Where did I say that? lol
I never referred to the creation of Deeming, I was referring to him using the FDA as a scapegoat when the aftermath of Deeming takes place, even though he appointed the "main dude" in charge of carrying things out.

The FDA is a big agency, in charge of regulating many things besides tobacco; stuff like food and drugs.

The "main man" in charge of the all things related to tobacco at the FDA is a guy named Mitch Zeller, the director of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, who assumed that position in March of 2013, under the previous administration.

 

[Rossum]

The only remaining question is what will his reaction be toward the May Deeming deadline. I'm not particularly clear as to what he can do about it...if anything.

Well, he could tell the FDA to take a light hand on enforcement at vape shops. Kinda like the DEA takes a light hand on enforcement at "dispensaries".

I'm not saying this will happen, but it's clearly possible.

 

[Don29palms]

Well, he could tell the FDA to take a light hand on enforcement at vape shops. Kinda like the DEA takes a light hand on enforcement at "dispensaries".

I'm not saying this will happen, but it's clearly possible.

I hate to say it but with all the stuff that is going on I think vaping is very low on the president's agenda. At this point people have a few months to prepare to not be a victim. If you wait until May it will be too late. Hopefully things will change but personally I'm not counting on it.

 

[Rossum]

It's the political machine that we are fighting, not necessarily individuals and I think a lot of us forget that. It will roll over those that have opposing views. If not today, eventually.

If you know there is a steam roller coming at you, there is only one rational thing to do. You don't try to stop the steam roller. You get out of its way.

 

[BigPappa]

The FDA is a big agency, in charge of regulating many things besides tobacco; stuff like food and drugs.

The "main man" in charge of the all things related to tobacco at the FDA is a guy named Mitch Zeller, the director of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, who assumed that position in March of 2013, under the previous administration.

I am totally familiar with that, but I think the point is being missed..... The point is that that won't prevent Trump from using the FDA as a scapegoat. lol "It wasn't me, it was the FDA".

 

[Bronze]

I am totally familiar with that, but I think the point is being missed..... The point is that that won't prevent Trump from using the FDA as a scapegoat. lol "It wasn't me, it was the FDA".

That assumes:

A) He wants vaping killed off, and
B) He can simply wave a magic wand and end Deeming.

 

[Rossum]

If you wait until May it will be too late.

I can assure you that I am not waiting until May.

 

[Don29palms]

I can assure you that I am not waiting until May.

Neither am I my friend.

 

[BigPappa]

That assumes:

A) He wants vaping killed off, and
B) He can simply wave a magic wand and end Deeming.

It doesn't assume anything, especially those two assumptions. What I assume is that I don't think he cares what happens either way.... He just wants the problem to go away and he is caught between a rock and a hard place with teams on both sides telling him they are right. Hence my belief that he will just let the FDA handle it and he can avoid most of the blame from both camps no matter what the result.

 

[Don29palms]

It doesn't assume anything, especially those two assumptions. What I assume is that I don't think he cares what happens either way.... He just wants the problem to go away and he is caught between a rock and a hard place with teams on both sides telling him they are right. Hence my belief that he will just let the FDA handle it and he can avoid most of the blame from both camps no matter what the result.

Maybe you're right. I don't think vaping is high on the president's agenda with all the rest of what's happening in the US and the rest of the world. We have politicians that act like spoiled children instead of actually doing their job.

 

[Bronze]

It doesn't assume anything, especially those two assumptions. What I assume is that I don't think he cares what happens either way.... He just wants the problem to go away and he is caught between a rock and a hard place with teams on both sides telling him they are right. Hence my belief that he will just let the FDA handle it and he can avoid most of the blame from both camps no matter what the result.

OK, Trump doesn't care how it ends as long as he avoids blame. We'll go with your version.

 

[Don29palms]

OK, Trump doesn't care how it ends as long as he avoids blame. We'll go with your version.

Trump gets blamed for everything so I don't think he takes most of this stuff seriously either way anymore. If Trump walked on water people would say look he can't swim.

 

[Bronze]

Trump gets blamed for everything so I don't think he takes most of this stuff seriously either way anymore. If Trump walked on water people would say look he can't swim.

I don't take it seriously either. There are more important things in my life than wondering if Trump is trying to shed blame.

 

[Don29palms]

I don't take it seriously either. There are more important things in my life than wondering if Trump is trying to shed blame.

Agreed. I live in Kalifornia so what the federal government does is the least of my worries. The braindead fools that run this state are destroying it faster than a major earthquake or nuclear bomb could. I'm surprised that vaping hasn't been completely banned here already.

 

[DPLongo22]

The bigger question is what is it going to take to shut down these ABC.gov agencies. They are all over stepping their boundaries.

From a constitutional perspective, the only means at our disposal is Article V.

For the record, I am (and have been for quite some time) fully supportive of the idea. Still a ways to go though (two-thirds of the required number of states still unsigned).

 

[Rossum]

From a constitutional perspective, the only means at our disposal is Article V.

Huge can of worms. Look at what happened the last time they had a "Convention". They were supposed to revise and improve the Articles of Confederation. Instead, they threw them out an gave us what we have now, which "has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it".

 

[DPLongo22]

Huge can of worms. Look at what happened the last time they had a "Convention". They were supposed to revise and improve the Articles of Confederation. Instead, they threw them out an gave us what we have now, which "has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it".

I would disagree, given what's before us now, and counting on ratification requirements to keep out anything crazy. He asked about what we could do, and that's pretty much it. The powerful have become a runaway train, and a very rich one at that. WAY too many millionaires achieved solely by being elected (IMO).

But like vaping, I only consider these opinions my own, and not necessarily "right". For one thing, I firmly believe it's the only way we'll ever see term limits implemented, and that's something I think we're sorely in need of.

Again though - it's just my opinion.

I don't like to squonk either.

Equal value to those two opinions outside of my own head.

 

[DPLongo22]

I'm surprised that vaping hasn't been completely banned here already.

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