Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Then you can remember when he was hailed far and wide as "The Lion of the Senate". What a piece of garbage but well loved by the voters of Massachusetts.
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It's appearing the vape enthusiasts have protected our right to vape in another way. This flavor ban essentially targets plug n play products. Pull it out of a package and press a button. Vape enthusiasts tend to favor products that require more effort than this. Actually, quite a bit more effort...the very thing the kids don't want to fool with. So a tip of the cap to all our ECF members past and present who helped carve out a niche of advanced vaping products that has given us at least some modicum of protection. But, the war continues.
I am just too lazy to keep up. My understanding of what is coming in May means,
I can't buy things like:
Lost Vape Paranormal
Digiflavor Serin 2
But I can still buy:
PG
VG
Nicotine 100mg
TPA, FA, FW, Cap, WF, Inawera.....
Cotton, coil wire
Is that correct?
I can't buy things like:
Lost Vape Paranormal
Digiflavor Serin 2
But I can still buy:
PG
VG
Nicotine 100mg
TPA, FA, FW, Cap, WF, Inawera.....
Cotton, coil wire
Is that correct?
Generally speaking yes. The nicotine (100mg) not sure about. I would consider that as a May target along with your gear. And we still do not know the level of enforcement facing us. But, if vaping is important to you, then I would suggest you view May as a vaping funeral for those who are unprepared.
It ain't over 'till the Orange man sings.
[Lordy, please take this as the joke that was the intention.]
[Lordy, please take this as the joke that was the intention.]
Still an unknown.
There are bills written (not passed yet) that would make a liter of nic cost $1000+.
Our previous Governor was involved in one of the biggest Medicare fraud cases in US history and made a fortune from it even after paying 1.7 billion in fines for fraud. He was not only elected Governor afterwards, but re-elected and once he reached his term limit he was elected as a State Senator. lmao
It boggles my mind... some 2-bit conman who goes in cahoots with a small town doctor to milk his Medicare account can get 30 years, but this dude who stole billions not only gets away with it, but gets elected for multiple political offices. Between that and no term limit rich people who are not in touch with the average American running our country I have lost most faith in our government.
Pods may very well be the preference for teens, but the funny thing is there was an article I read this past month that had a photograph of a pile of confiscated e-cigarettes from a high school and they were all mods with tanks, with the exception of one pod system.
And then there was Mitt Romney who was pushing a bill to ban all refillable e-cigarette products claiming they were the problem, especially with the illnesses and deaths. I even setup a Google alert for "Refillable e-cigarette ban" a few months back after reading a couple of news articles with him saying that.
I don't think any of them know what they are doing.
Anecdotal. I think the advent of these pod systems correlates with the rise in youth vaping. And yes, some adults took to them as well. And yes, kids have and will use the open systems too. I'm speaking in general terms.
Your avi is appropriate....(a bit ominous. I.E. May is still "on")
53 pages of which much is already known. May 12, 2020 sounds worse and worse. But I did like this one paragraph.
"Of particular concern are the design features that appear to make the cartridge-based products so popular with young people. Attributes typically present in cartridge-based products include a relatively small size that allows for easy concealability, and intuitive and convenient features that facilitate ease of use, including draw activation, prefilled cartridges or pods, and USB rechargeability."
So, for now, we need lots of large mods with complicated menus, and RTAs they won't be able to figure out how to build.
Yeah, that'll stop teens.
Meh. The paragraph approx-after all that pretty much said if it doesn't have a PMTA (whatever) it's toast.
They do admit with their "limited resources" priority will be directed at products most likely to appeal to or be used by underage users. That enforcement will be decided on a case by case basis. Even they recognize the problems of policing such a diverse industry.
It sucks, but some semblance of a business could limp along pending a clarification in just what does get approved. But if it were my money in a business, I'd be looking at my exit strategy over the next 5 months.
It sucks, but some semblance of a business could limp along pending a clarification in just what does get approved. But if it were my money in a business, I'd be looking at my exit strategy over the next 5 months.
Well at least they are acknowledging that all vapes are not the same. Not sure how much difference it will make in the middle term since the PMTA is still required after May and we have no idea how that will handled.
In the notice of proposed rulemaking for the Deeming Rule, FDA noted that the overall publichealth impact of ENDS products would depend crucially upon “who uses the products and how they are used. If such products result in minimal initiation by children and adolescents while significant numbers of smokers quit, then there is a potential for the net public health impact at the population level to be positive. If, on the other hand, there is significant initiation by youth, minimal quitting, or significant dual use of combust[ed] and non-combust[ed] products, then the public health impact could be negative.”66 The data discussed above demonstrate substantial and increasing initiation of ENDS products by youth, particularly certain flavored, cartridge-based products.
In the notice of proposed rulemaking for the Deeming Rule, FDA noted that the overall publichealth impact of ENDS products would depend crucially upon “who uses the products and how they are used. If such products result in minimal initiation by children and adolescents while significant numbers of smokers quit, then there is a potential for the net public health impact at the population level to be positive. If, on the other hand, there is significant initiation by youth, minimal quitting, or significant dual use of combust[ed] and non-combust[ed] products, then the public health impact could be negative.”66 The data discussed above demonstrate substantial and increasing initiation of ENDS products by youth, particularly certain flavored, cartridge-based products.
OK, so what happens to fruity-COPYRIGHTDMCA pod systems? Nixed, right?
But BT's pod systems (with tobacco or menthol flavors) are still a go, right? And at gas stations too.
So other than flavors, after May, it's all still theoretically the same pending doom? I'm afraid I'm getting too damn confused now.
Bottom line is that BT and indirectly BP still "win", optimism aside. The only thing Trump et al has done is allow flavors until May? Or what about the refillable pod systems? So those could be flavored IF they're made by BT or whomever gets a PMTA approved, right?
But BT's pod systems (with tobacco or menthol flavors) are still a go, right? And at gas stations too.
So other than flavors, after May, it's all still theoretically the same pending doom? I'm afraid I'm getting too damn confused now.
Bottom line is that BT and indirectly BP still "win", optimism aside. The only thing Trump et al has done is allow flavors until May? Or what about the refillable pod systems? So those could be flavored IF they're made by BT or whomever gets a PMTA approved, right?
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