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Are you saying no nicotine is absorbed through the lungs? That doesn't sound too legit, considering nicotine can be absorbed simply through contact with your skin. Considering the extremely soft, thin tissues that are filled with blood vessels in your lungs, it should be far, far easier to absorb nicotine that way than via the skin, or even mucus membranes for that matter.
Nicotine is Absorbed into Any tissue it comes into contact with.
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JMO... But I believe when the the Long Term Studies are complied, and the Final Analyst is done, that it Won't be the Nicotine that is shown to be the Major Contributor to whatever potential harm e-Cigarettes pose.
It will be the use of High Levels of Flavorings and Sweeteners.
Everything we do causes harm in one way or another. That's why we don't live forever, Everything is relative.
And high temperatures resulting in the production of various VOCs like formaldehyde and acrolein. But that will occur even without flavorings and sweeteners.
Nobody has categorically stated vaping is perfectly safe in this thread or on this forum (OK, someone probably did, but the vast majority of members don't buy that line, I hope). The question that remains to be answered is how much safer they are in comparison to smoking, and how safe are they over extended periods of use, like over 10 years. There is consensus that it is markedly safer than smoking, but the degree remains unclear. Even if it turns out to be more modest than "95% safer" from the RCP, even a 50% reduction will result in saving hundreds of thousands (I believe more, I can't recall the exact numbers from a statistical analysis done based on reduction percentages alone) of lives in the US alone, that's still pretty amazing. Worldwide it would be in the tens of millions. And that's at a more modest, and probably more reasonable 50% reduction.
So yes, if you're a non-smoker you probably run a higher rate of complicating illness from vaping if used daily for decades like a cigarette. Should a non-smoker start? IMO, no. If I were a 35 year old who finally quit 15-20 years of smoking, I'd probably look for an off ramp after a few years of vaping. No reason to vape for 30 years and hope for the best. At my age, I'm not so motivated. There may well come a time I will stop, but probably not due to or from fear of vaping related illness.
I really don't make this stuff up!
Fron the ECF library,
If you are a new ecig user, and you have one of the smaller devices (especially one of the mini / cigalike models), then this applies to you:
1. E-Cigarette vapor is not drawn directly into the lungs, as many smokers do with a tobacco cigarette. The lungs do not 'suck' on the ecig; a direct inhale is not used. Instead, the vapor is first drawn into the mouth, using the cheeks to create a vacuum, then inhaled if desired.
The vapor doesn't have to be inhaled though, and an ecig can be used like a cigar, with the vapor only taken into the mouth. Nicotine will still be delivered as the water-based vapor is absorbed in the mouth (and nose).
2. First the vapor is drawn into the mouth (not the lungs), then held there for a second or two. Then, it can be inhaled if desired. The vapor is then expelled through the mouth or nose.
3. The vapor is drawn very slowly and gently into the mouth. A hard pull, as is normal with a cigarette, cannot be used since:
a. The heater coil doesn't work properly unless air is drawn across it gently for several seconds. There will be little or no nicotine in the vapor if a short hard pull is used.
b. A hard draw may pull liquid into the mouth.
4. E-Cigarette vapor is a water-based mist and not smoke. This has two main consequences:
a. The droplet size in vapor is much larger than the particles in smoke, and therefore it does not penetrate as deeply into the lungs. Vapor aerosol is ten times the particulate size in smoke (10 microns vs 1 micron). Vapor cannot go anywhere near as deep, and this means that nicotine is not available so easily from the lungs, and is obtained more slowly.
b. It is likely that just as much nicotine is absorbed by the mucous membranes in the mouth and nose as within the lungs. In fact for maximum nicotine delivery, all three need to be employed: mouth, lungs, nose - otherwise all the nicotine in the vapor will not be extracted.
5. Indeed it is not necessary to inhale, when using an e-cigarette, to obtain nicotine: holding the vapor in the mouth will suffice for some people (especially with high-strength liquid), and expelling some through the nose as well, after a very shallow inhale, will add to the nic delivery. Persons with serious lung diseases caused by smoking, such as emphysema, can take advantage of this - since inhaling anything further, even mist, is absolutely not advised.
Nicotine delivery via cigarette smoke is unusually rapid - it reaches the brain in around 8 seconds, which is at least three times faster than injecting nicotine, which takes up to 30 seconds to reach the brain. This is part of the grip cigarettes have, since this ultra-fast delivery becomes associated with the act of smoking.
Yeah, that 4(a) needs to be deleted, the logic (or lack of logic) defies science. lol Do you have a link to the post so I can report it?
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That's all Fine for some who Vapes like that.
But a Large Percentage of Vape's inhale just like they Smoked. And some do a more of a Lung Hit verses how they Smoked.
BTW - Much in the ECF Library is sorely in Need of an Update.
Why would you wish to delete it, I've been vaping for over 10 years and I don't inhale!
It is taken from our library, look it up, you may learn something!
You missed my edit... I was referring to 4(a). Of course you can vape like smoking a cigar, no one disputes that. But 4(a) is not science, it's hogwash.
Well... the library is wrong in this case. lmao
OK, but that ECF library quote doesn't appear to state that nicotine is not absorbed through the lungs, but that it's not only absorbed through the lungs.
Your statement above is what people seem to have issue with...
Your quote above seems to insinuate that nicotine is only absorbed through the mucus membranes in the mouth, and that no nicotine is absorbed by the lungs if the vapor is inhaled.
I agree. Like this statement...
"E-Cigarette vapor is not drawn directly into the lungs, as many smokers do with a tobacco cigarette."
I never heard of smoker using Direct Lung inhaling when smoking a cigarette. I have read a few people here on ECF who claim they smoked cigarettes using DL method, but they are the exception, not the norm... not even by a long-shot.
But I digress, this is off topic.
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While the library is a decent starting point for vaping info, it's hardly the end-all-be-all of vaping information (or facts, for that matter). It certainly is in grave need of updating as others have stated.
That's awesome!!! There are other on ECF that don't inhale and I kinda envy y'all.
My goal is to get to "the point of no inhale" as well as reduce my nic strength.
Yeah, what LowJumper said. All of the pleasure and none of the risk. Okay, not none, but could be less than living in LA or Denver. A couple of weeks to train yourself, and you're golden.
Actually number 4 starts out with it’s “water based” and it’s not. It is water soluble, but not water being boiled up and inhaled.
Yes, you can absorb nicotine through both upper airway mucous membranes or within the lung. It’s why both mtl and DL are effective. It’s also why nicotine gum results in nicotine absorption without being inhaled. Even skin will absorb nicotine when patches are used.
Thst, and probably other old articles like that should be updated as folks still search, find, and read them. Better for ECF to always offer the newest, most accurate information to the random person who comes in to learn about vaping.
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I challenge anyone to successfully switch a cigarette smoker over to vaping without inhaling.
It ain't happening in 99.999999999999999999789532529% of cases.
Inhaling is part of the addiction and pleasure for cigarette smokers. If it weren't, there would never be talk of "throat hit". You don't get throat hit unless you inhale.
Again, I digress, and I swear I won't be responding to this off-topic sub-topic anymore
That was a VERY old post - 2012, we have learned much since then.
Inhalation technique with an e-cigarette
Well...I'm 1 who doesn't inhale the vapor into my lungs, and I've always vaped that way since I first started vaping in Nov. 2013. I definitely inhaled the smoke from every cigarette I ever smoked for 40+ years though!
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