Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Don29palms]

And which party had control of Congress at the time?

By today's logic that doesn't matter. (you know I'm being sarcastic of course)

 

[Zutankhamun]

vaping is not a right.

My mistake. I just do what I want and what I feel is morally just. Its nice

Except paying £130 council tax a month. That is criminal, if I could get away with not paying it, I would
Edit; And the nicotine limit me off.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Its also your fault guys IMHO.
You tried to fight ... a bit, but it was obviously not enough.
There are like 5 different active topics on ECF for "let's stock for a lifetime before the evil govt will ban everything for us" instead of "let's actively fight for our rights because we know what's best for us"
That's the way of loosing the fight.

"It your fault, you didn't try hard enough to protect your freedom."

Also, your guns will not help you much if you will try to go against the govt. Power is on their side anyways.

"Don't bother trying to protect your freedom, the govt is too powerful."

 

[DaveP]

Smoking Rates at All-Time Low, Surgeon General Reports


https://www.medpagetoday.com/primarycare/smoking/84503?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2020-01-24&eun=g1180594d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily Headlines Top Cat HeC 2020-01-24&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition


"However, the evidence is inconclusive on whether e-cigarettes are effective in helping people quit, he added. "That said, I have heard powerful accounts from individuals who have used e-cigarettes to quit smoking combustible cigarettes.... It's important we use the entire body of available science to guide our current recommendations." But in any case, "e-cigarettes can't come at the expense of escalating rates of youth use of these products; youth use of any tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, is unsafe.""

He should read my Tag Line.

 

[DaveP]

And THIS was in the news today !
Mitt Romney violated Senate rules by drinking chocolate milk out of a bottle during the impeachment trial

"Romney has been known to enjoy chocolate milk. His wife, Ann Romney, revealed that the drink is his "guilty pleasure" in a 2012 interview, and the then-presidential candidate was photographed sipping chocolate milk on his campaign bus."

Was it the bottle that the Senate didn't allow or was it a ban on fluids during a long trial? Or, was it the word guilty that they didn't care for? Maybe that made them nervous!

 

[dreamvaper]

"Don't bother trying to protect your freedom, the govt is too powerful."

if you read it like that, doesn't mean you understood it correctly.
First of all you lost the disinformation war with US medias and antivapers.
How many active vaping advocates from US are posting regularly on youtube for example? 10-15 I'd say
versus hundreds if not thousands.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Vaping isn't as widespread as you seem to think.

Most vapers are most likely former smokers. It's a niche within a niche.

 

[dreamvaper]

According to CDC there are about 10millions of regular vapers in US.
It gives us ~ 1 in a million rate. That's not enough

 

[DaveP]

Most of us can say that it only took a short period of vaping to make us stop smoking without withdrawal symptoms. I know that after smoking for 36 years I discovered that vaping took away my desire to smoke within 3 months after I started vaping. Almost immediately I realized that my 2 PAD habit had turned into only smoking 3 to 5 cigs a day during the first couple of months vaping.

My wife wonders why I don't just quit vaping. For me, it's the ACT of smoking and the nicotine hit that satisfies. Lozenges didn't do a thing for my desire to smoke. They just gave me a little more buzz while I smoked.

 

[Don29palms]

Most of us can say that it only took a short period of vaping to make us stop smoking without withdrawal symptoms. I know that after smoking for 36 years I discovered that vaping took away my desire to smoke within 3 months after I started vaping. Almost immediately I realized that my 2 PAD habit had turned into only smoking 3 to 5 cigs a day during the first couple of months vaping.

My wife wonders why I don't just quit vaping. For me, it's the ACT of smoking and the nicotine hit that satisfies. Lozenges didn't do a thing for my desire to smoke. They just gave me a little more buzz while I smoked.

For a lot of people, including myself, it's harder to break the habit than to get over the nicotine dependency especially when you enjoy it.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

For me, it's the ACT of smoking and the nicotine hit that satisfies. Lozenges didn't do a thing for my desire to smoke. They just gave me a little more buzz while I smoked.

For a lot of people, including myself, it's harder to break the habit than to get over the nicotine dependency especially when you enjoy it.

For me, I know my addiction has to be at least 90% the act, not the nicotine. If I keep my hands occupied I rarely even think about vaping.

I'd like to put that to the test, but then what to do with all this nicotine in my freezer?

I guess I'll have to put that test off for later.

 

[Eskie]

I'd like to put that to the test, but then what to do with all this nicotine

If it’s a problem, I’d be happy to take it off your hands.

 

[Zutankhamun]

For me, I know my addiction has to be at least 90% the act, not the nicotine. If I keep my hands occupied I rarely even think about vaping.

I'd like to put that to the test, but then what to do with all this nicotine in my freezer?

I guess I'll have to put that test off for later.

Agree with all those posts. Clearly the action or in a case personal to me, an action
My dad gave up after about 55 years of rolling tobacco maybe 6 years ago now. Ever since, he cannot seem to let go of a nicotine spray!

edit; yes, I bought him a nautilus and gave him a mod. “Not for me that, where’s my spray”
Smh

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Vaping is not a right.

And therein lies an effect of a larger moral discussion. Only free to do what I want IF the powers that be let me even though it does not adversely affect others.

 

[susieqz]

some of us think that we have the right to do anything we want with our own bodies.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

some of us think that we have the right to do anything we want with our own bodies.

how dare you

 

[Bronze]

how dare you

The nerve, huh?

 

[Don29palms]

some of us think that we have the right to do anything we want with our own bodies.

You are wrong if that's what you think.

 

[LoveVanilla]

Oh boy, oh boy. If you have not already read it -- do not miss this one by CASA.

Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it …” -- Jonathan Swift​

Retraction to: Electronic Cigarette Use and Myocardial Infarction Among Adults in the US Population Assessment of Tobacco and Health

Member @optsmk found the smoking gun. Reposting as every vapers needs to aware of this fact. And shout, stomp their feet, and scream every time media repeats the lie.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Vaping is not a right.

I agree with you in that vaping as such is not a specified right as is free speech. There is, in my opinion, a right to be free of unwarranted governmental intrusion. I think that this freedom arises out of the Constitution Article I Section 8 which delineates the powers of congress. Further, Article II which outlines the duties and power of the President. Lastly, Article X which gives to the States powers not enumerated in the preceding. All three of which have been altered by amendment and judicial decision - sometimes stunningly by the judiciary, see the decisions involving the Commerce Clause.

It was designed to be a document of limited government and out of that idea of a restrained government comes, not my right to vape but rather, my right to be free of an oppressive over reaching federal government. It is my right to be secure in my home and person from the passing whims and fashions of society which are enforced by governmental action.