Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[mikepetro]

Part of the problem is enforcement of existing law.
If Point of Sale laws were enforced, then minors would have a more difficult time obtaining vape stuff.

Double edge sword that.
If the laws were being enforced, then we wouldn't have had the reprieve on vape gear that we have seen for the last couple years.

 

[Rossum]

Double edge sword that.
If the laws were being enforced, then we wouldn't have had the reprieve on vape gear that we have seen for the last couple years.

There's an old saying: "Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it -- good and hard."

 

[zoiDman]

It's been brought to my attention on more than a few occasions that this forum's admin are not interested in "fun", which is why I'm no longer very active here. Glad to see you're still making your rounds though SMT. I do miss some of you.

I Love Fun as much as the Next Guy/Gal. And Many have commented on my "special form of snark".

But there are Very Few Threads on this forum anymore where people want to talk Seriously about Advocacy, Regulations, Laws and or Policies. And there is Only One Deeming Thread.

Everyone Derails a Thread now and again. This Isn't a Glass House thing. And a Bunch of Banter in some RTA Thread is kinda Par for the Course.

But in this Thread, wouldn't You like to see it Stay On Topic?

 

[zoiDman]

Part of the problem is enforcement of existing law.
If Point of Sale laws were enforced, then minors would have a more difficult time obtaining vape stuff.

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If you Ask any Minor about where they get Cigarettes or e-Cigarettes or Beer/Liquor, you will hear some say that they know a Place that Doesn't Card Much. But the Majority will tell you that they get it "from a friend" or "someone they know". It's called a Social Source.

The FDA Knows this. And the Anti-Smoking Group know this. Heck, just about Any who follows this stuff Knows it. And they will ALL Tell you in Private that there Isn't a Damn Things anyone can do about it.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for Slamming Retailers who Don't Card. They give Responsible Retailers a Bad Name. But Nothing can stop a Minor getting ahold of things that Enterprising Adults are willing to Sell them via a Social Source.

And with the Vacuum the FDA is creating by Cleaning the e-Cigarette Slate, it is only going to get Worse.

 

[Z-Lee]

Part of the problem is enforcement of existing law.
If Point of Sale laws were enforced, then minors would have a more difficult time obtaining vape stuff.

Double edge sword that.
If the laws were being enforced, then we wouldn't have had the reprieve on vape gear that we have seen for the last couple years.

There will always be loopholes in the system though, like people of age, buying this stuff for underagers. Unless an establishment knows this is happening, they have every right to make the sale. That will simply never go away.

 

[Z-Lee]

If you Ask any Minor about where they get Cigarettes or e-Cigarettes or Beer/Liquor, you will hear some say that they know a Place that Doesn't Card Much. But the Majority will tell you that they get it "from a friend" or "someone they know". It's called a Social Source.

The FDA Knows this. And the Anti-Smoking Group know this. Heck, just about Any who follows this stuff Knows it. And they will ALL Tell you in Private that there Isn't a Damn Things anyone can do about it.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for Slamming Retailers who Don't Card. They give Responsible Retailers a Bad Name. But Nothing can stop a Minor getting ahold of things that Enterprising Adults are will to Sell them via a Social Source.

And with the Vacuum the FDA is creating by Cleaning the e-Cigarette Slate, it is only going to get Worse.

Indeed. But this would require people to look beyond what they're being fed, and to look away from Facebook. We can't have that now, can we.

 

[Z-Lee]

I Love Fun as much as the Next Guy/Gal. And Many have commented on my "special form of snark".

But there are Very Few Threads on this forum anymore where people want to talk Seriously about Advocacy, Regulations, Laws and or Policies. And there is Only One Deeming Thread.

Everyone Derails a Thread now and again. This Isn't a Glass House thing. And a Bunch of Banter in some RTA Thread is kinda Par for the Course.

But in this Thread, wouldn't You like to see it Stay On Topic?

Oh, this is really the first time I've taken part in this thread. My mentioning of "fun" was definitely not in here. I'm simply partaking in the current discussion because I think there's good information being passed around.

 

[thanswr1]

BTW, I just got a heck of a deal on some ocean front property in Idaho!

Perhaps a bridge in Brooklyn would compliment the Idaho ocean front property?

Under the PMTA pathway, manufacturers must demonstrate to the agency that, among other things, marketing of the new tobacco product would be appropriate for the protection of the public health.

It seems to me, since no one has died from juices bought from legitimate sources or injured by properly used equipment, the public health is already protected.

 

[WorksForMe]

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

1 in the 2nd, 1 in 3rd, 3 in 4th, 6 in 5th, 2 in 6th, 4 in 9th, 2 in 10th, 4 in 11th, and 2 in DC

Who's on first?

 

[DPLongo22]

Who's on first?

"I don't know."

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[Myrany]

"I don't know."

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3rd base

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Who's on first?

Yes, he is.

 

[WorksForMe]

At Least 28 Vape Companies Have Challenged MDOs in Court

"Although news about vaping industry legal actions against the FDA has focused mostly on Turning Point Brands’ successful challenge, at least 27 other manufacturers and distributors have also filed petitions asking federal circuit courts to review their Marketing Denial Orders (MDOs)."

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[Javichu]

Part of the problem is enforcement of existing law.
If Point of Sale laws were enforced, then minors would have a more difficult time obtaining vape stuff.

Double edge sword that.
If the laws were being enforced, then we wouldn't have had the reprieve on vape gear that we have seen for the last couple years.

^^
What Mikepetro said.

Same problem in Spain but with alcohol,drinking age is 18 here in Spain but kids start doing botellon at a lower age,studies show its 13 years old.
Botellon means just buying the booze,soda,plastic cups and ice cubes at 24 hour shop then going to a park or open space type of location and start drinking.
Lot of chinese owned 24 hour type shops that sell alcohol to minors without no remorse,same with gas stations and big supermarkets,if you look older they don't bother asking for ID and you can get away with it.

Let us break it down,like vaping there is only one Culprit here and it's not the alcohol itself it's fault falls on the person who sold said alcohol.
Partial blame also falls on the parents,year after year i have seen a trend where the schools are blamed for the shortcomings of children but to educate the kids is not the schools job.

Knowledge when it comes to subjects like science,English,math etc yes that is what the school is supposed to teach but when it comes to curiosity,social skills,integrity,resourcefulness,empathy,humility etc etc that is what a parent should show their kids,it's their job.

As i said before i find it highly illogical that all you read about is the dangers to nicotine on children but no comments on how all this affects the adults.
Personally i say let the kids get addicted with nicotine,they won't die from it but on the other hand lives will be saved when adults can keep on vaping without having to go back to cigarettes.

 

[DaveOno]

Because there is Nothing really Spectacular/Innovative about a Vuse Solo. So Common Wisdom would say that Similar Products in that class should be Authorized Also.

Other than the fact that it is proprietary and non-refillable. A user must use only what Vuse sells. I'm imagining that the tests will only apply to their juice in their atomizer. The FDA would never consider an equivalency to any other juice/atomizer.

(just playing devil's advocate here. All rational thinking would find the equivalency. But I'm not close to calling the FDA rational.)

We all have hundreds of dollars of juice, nic, coils, tanks, batteries, etc. None of it can be used with the vuze.

It is beyond frustrating that the majority of folks can see what is the right thing to do, for so many laws and policies, but governments and administrations just muck it all up.

They couldn't figure out how to work a scratch-off.

smh

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Other than the fact that it is proprietary and non-refillable.

Where there's a will there's a way. The FDA and the ANTZ are going to bring back the curiosity & ambition that comes along with the desperate need to have and keep an alternative to combustion. It'll be 2007-2011 all over again, only a bit different.

 

[Z-Lee]

They couldn't figure out how to work a scratch-off.

Hold up, lemme google it.

 

[Rossum]

We all have hundreds of dollars of juice, nic, coils, tanks, batteries, etc. None of it can be used with the vuze.

I'm not sure I follow. Why would any of us want to use any of our stuff with a Vuse?

 

[Z-Lee]

I'm not sure I follow. Why would any of us want to use any of our stuff with a Vuse?

I think he's implying that the Vuse is proprietary, which doesn't aid in our favor even though they are "approving" some vape stuff - it's only benefitting BT. What they're approving doesn't help the non-Vuse users one bit in what we're looking for in regards to regulations.