Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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The downloadable .pdf is awesome mike. Everyone should bookmark this!
https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/file/3563/download?token=uV0R0Twz
Another is the direct link to the report…
Nicotine without smoke: Tobacco harm reduction | RCP London
Good luck all.
Okay, I'm writing letters today. I've got a first draft, but I need the exact language I should use to refer to the two pieces of legislation that we are urging reps to support. What are they? Someone just please give me the wording for both. I know it's been posted before but indulge my laziness
I'm getting emails from online dealers blowing out products. And I'm taking advantage of it. By next week I'll have 5 iStic pico mods. 2 DAN200 2 DNA75 1 DNA40. 1 Aromamizer 3 Crowns 5 Lemo's and a .... load of retired rda. 2.5 liters of 100mg nic and planning to purchase more over the next few weeks.
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One of them isOkay, I'm writing letters today. I've got a first draft, but I need the exact language I should use to refer to the two pieces of legislation that we are urging reps to support. What are they? Someone just please give me the wording for both. I know it's been posted before but indulge my laziness
"I urge you to support the
H.R.2058 - FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015"
Okay, I'm writing letters today. I've got a first draft, but I need the exact language I should use to refer to the two pieces of legislation that we are urging reps to support. What are they? Someone just please give me the wording for both. I know it's been posted before but indulge my laziness
The Cole-Bishop amendment to the 2017 Agricultural Appropriations bill and the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015 (H.R. 2058).
I'm not sure if anyone has caught this yet, but in order to become a "tobacco product manufacturer" a shop will have to submit an application to the BATF. They issue permits in about 65 days, are able to freely inspect your facility, and basically do whatever they want. The site says that it is free to apply. Also of note there appears to be special taxes required. https://www.ttb.gov/tobacco/manufacturer_products.shtml
So if mixing shops can apply and become approved to be tobacco product manufacturers they will be able to sell mixed juice that was already being produced prior to 8/10. At least for 2 years...
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Resent again today, and evry day until it needs updating, I just keep changing the "From" email address.
This link makes it easy, and automatically selects your own personal politicians.
Petition Your Legislator NOW to Support HR 2058! (Updated)
This link makes it easy, and automatically selects your own personal politicians.
Petition Your Legislator NOW to Support HR 2058! (Updated)
They will actually need to become a Tobacco Manufacturer if they install hand wrapped coils or wicks. or sell coils they wrapped.
Yes. So theoretically a shop that ONLY makes coils (wrapping wire into an electronic device), but doesn't add juice or even sell pre-made juice will still be a tobacco manufacturer. Mind boggling isn't it.
Yep it boggles the mind. And as you pointed out even filling a tank for a customer..
And no free sampling of juice. Maybe a penny a puff charge will bypass that?
I own several bars and the penny per drink work-around can be very effective for liquor laws. That said, sampling is the least of concerns for small mixing shops. They are now going to have to be under the thumb of the BATF, including background checks on owners and a whole new blizzard of paperwork. The BATF on a whim can come into any facility and inspect it. And all of that just for the ability to sell pre-existing recipes for another 2 years.
Take me for instance. I have been vaping for over 2 years. In the past couple months, I started making my own coils. Yesterday, I ordered 1L of 100mg/ml nicotine concentrate and other supplies to DIY my juice. That is just the beginning. By 2018, my plan is to have everything I need to vape for the rest of my life, regardless of what stupid FDA regulations take effect.
Vaping saved my life. I am not giving it up because some government bureaucrat says it's bad for me.
Here is the letter I sent:
Dear [whoever],
I am writing today to express my dismay at the recently published FDA Deeming Regulations with regard to new tobacco products. These regulations, as written, are extreme regulatory overreach and will be damaging both to public health and to small businesses across the US. They will eliminate almost all (or possibly all) of the vapor products available in this country and contribute significantly to an unregulated black market. If any products do survive, they will most likely be unappealing and ineffective offerings from the major tobacco companies since they are the most likely to be able to afford the overzealous levels of testing required, and least likely to have incentive to produce anything better (they already have smokers). Because of this, I am urging you to support either H.R.2058 - FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015 or the Cole-Bishop Amendment to the 2017 Agricultural Appropriations Bill. Either of these pieces of legislation would push forward the grandfather date for vapor products from 2007 (at which point there were essentially none on the market in the US) to 2016. Moving the grandfather date is not the most ideal solution, as innovation will be stifled and user choice will be limited, but would allow what products we have now to stay on the market for current users and contribute to the health of current smokers who might switch to vapor products in the future.
I am not associated with any vapor shop or vapor product manufacturing. I am simply a 25 year smoker, and 44 year old mother of 2, who has not had a combustible cigarette for over 5 years thanks to these products. Additionally, I do not protest this for myself. I have seen it coming for a long time and I will be able to continue using the products I have amassed for many years to come. I speak for the millions of smokers who deserve the chance to make an informed choice about their own health. I am not against sensible regulations such as reasonable testing and disclosure of ingredients, facility inspections, age restrictions, and health warnings. Look to the recently published report from The Royal College of Physicians (a prestigious health organization in the UK) Nicotine without smoke: Tobacco harm reduction. They correctly state that we don’t know everything we need to know about these products and that further testing should be done, but they acknowledge that these products are at least 95% safer than smoking combustible cigarettes and on that basis recommended that current smokers be ENCOURAGED to switch. Such sensible recommendations will not be possible if the FDAs Deeming Regulations are not challenged.
Thank you very much for taking the time to read my thoughts on this matter.
[my real name], Ph.D.
Dear [whoever],
I am writing today to express my dismay at the recently published FDA Deeming Regulations with regard to new tobacco products. These regulations, as written, are extreme regulatory overreach and will be damaging both to public health and to small businesses across the US. They will eliminate almost all (or possibly all) of the vapor products available in this country and contribute significantly to an unregulated black market. If any products do survive, they will most likely be unappealing and ineffective offerings from the major tobacco companies since they are the most likely to be able to afford the overzealous levels of testing required, and least likely to have incentive to produce anything better (they already have smokers). Because of this, I am urging you to support either H.R.2058 - FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015 or the Cole-Bishop Amendment to the 2017 Agricultural Appropriations Bill. Either of these pieces of legislation would push forward the grandfather date for vapor products from 2007 (at which point there were essentially none on the market in the US) to 2016. Moving the grandfather date is not the most ideal solution, as innovation will be stifled and user choice will be limited, but would allow what products we have now to stay on the market for current users and contribute to the health of current smokers who might switch to vapor products in the future.
I am not associated with any vapor shop or vapor product manufacturing. I am simply a 25 year smoker, and 44 year old mother of 2, who has not had a combustible cigarette for over 5 years thanks to these products. Additionally, I do not protest this for myself. I have seen it coming for a long time and I will be able to continue using the products I have amassed for many years to come. I speak for the millions of smokers who deserve the chance to make an informed choice about their own health. I am not against sensible regulations such as reasonable testing and disclosure of ingredients, facility inspections, age restrictions, and health warnings. Look to the recently published report from The Royal College of Physicians (a prestigious health organization in the UK) Nicotine without smoke: Tobacco harm reduction. They correctly state that we don’t know everything we need to know about these products and that further testing should be done, but they acknowledge that these products are at least 95% safer than smoking combustible cigarettes and on that basis recommended that current smokers be ENCOURAGED to switch. Such sensible recommendations will not be possible if the FDAs Deeming Regulations are not challenged.
Thank you very much for taking the time to read my thoughts on this matter.
[my real name], Ph.D.
Right! ??? Preempts all state authority to determine what a business is. Who died and made FDA king?
Good luck all.
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