Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Qew]

California Cigarette and Tobacco Products Licensing Act of 2003 - Retailer License - Board of Equalization
https://www.ttb.gov/tobacco/tobacco-permits.shtml

I'm so out of my league here, I should just go sit in the corner while the smart people discuss, but aren't those in regard to retailers? I was commenting on manufacturers. Cali also has a directory of tobacco manufacturer's products that are legal to sell in the state. http://oag.ca.gov/tobacco/directory

 

[sparkky1]

SENATE DEMS: FDA Rule is Critical Step to Protecting Children and Teens from Tobacco Products | The U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

 

[skoony]

I have a feeling you are correct.

Not only here, but remember when CASAA and other groups where in those closed door meetings with the FDA? The ones where CASAA and other groups and individuals were not allowed to disclose what was said? I bet a lot of their information came from there too.

The FDA can get their information from almost any avenue. It is not secret what we vape, how we vape, where we buy our stuff. They have ears everywhere.

So here ya go FDA YOU!

Those folks at the FDA must be pretty good actors not to have shown their hand
in these closed door meetings. If any of the .orgs that had a closed door meeting
with the FDA and had any kind of heads up on what we were in for they had better
have a good explanation.

Not Challenging what you are say'n...

But How Exactly would a Vape Shop prove to the FDA that the e-Liquids they are Mixing on a given Day is Exactly the Same as what they were Mixing at some Previous time?

Now that I have had time to mull this over some more I believe the FDA can do this and
it is in the regulations. I haven't been wearing my tinfoil hat for couple of days so forgive
me for not thinking of this sooner.

The part where they say each blend of juice no mater how minor the change is
considered a new product. Bingo. Most of the shops i have seen that make juice behind the
counter use big squeeze bottles pre filled with bases and pretty much just eyeball it.
Ergo,there is the minor change the FDA refers to in the reg.'s. This also has the extra
added benefit for the FDA to have a hidden extra form of regulation to add further
regulatory burdens that are not in the regulations. All the juice will have to be made
with automated computer precision bottling equipment to insure compliance.

Now that my tinfoil hat is on i feel confident I will not be so lackadaisical with
my assessments in the future. I should be getting my fifth gold sticky star
as soon as the next Republican is elected President.

Regards
Mike

 

[Kent C]

Sweetheart, if that was a weekend I want a couple of them, back to back.

That was fun after the return - more like a few months though.....

 

[Qew]

SENATE DEMS: FDA Rule is Critical Step to Protecting Children and Teens from Tobacco Products | The U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

 

[mattiem]

At my signing there are 54,449 supporters of the 75000 needed....so PLEASE ppl....get up to the site and get it done, and shared! Thanks

Thank you Ipster

and Thank you to everyone else that has taken the few seconds it takes to sign this petition. It has gained over 1000 supporters since the deeming regs were released. I would love to see it hit 75,000 before it is sent in. We can do it if everyone that signed it will share the link with ALL their friends and family.

Link to petition

 

[zoiDman]

They won't. It would be impossible for them to request and receive past orders (which could be altered) for the thousands of permutations of end recipes for the thousands of producers. They do know that very few will be able to afford the application and will terminate business in 2 years. So if things are not totally enforceable for the next 2 years its a small price for them to pay for their long term.

Batch numbers and testing on each of those batches? This would be something a huge company might be able to pull off, but it seems the idea is to eliminate all the little guys. It's not a drug, but being held to pharmaceutical quality controls.

All I saying is if was an e-Liquid Seller, and was planning on being in Business after the 90 Day Grace Period was over, I would Consider being Very Proactive about Legally Documenting Exactly what is in the e-Liquids I am Currently Selling.

Because the FDA has made it Very Clear that they have No Problem of running Most out of the e-Cigarette Market. And if it comes down to what You Say alone, I Don't Think the FDA will be giving many passes based on the Honor System.

 

[Robino1]

Those folks at the FDA must be pretty good actors not to have shown their hand
in these closed door meetings. If any of the .orgs that had a closed door meeting
with the FDA and had any kind of heads up on what we were in for they had better
have a good explanation.

They had to sign a statement saying they would not discuss anything.

Basically what we did get was all the FDA basically did was take notes and ask a few questions. Our case was stated and that is all I know. Confidentially agreement is pretty binding. The FDA did not tip its hand... at least not then.

They pretty much did though when the documents were released or leaked or whatever back in 2014. We just didn't think they could possibly be that draconian.

 

[sparkky1]

Ban on e-cigarettes lifted to help smokers give up - Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust

 

[wiredlove]

Yes. The flavor wasn't my cup of tea (guava), but it was certainly e-liquid. The TFN (tobacco free nicotine) seemed unremarkable in that I couldn't differentiate it from any other.

Thanks, what I wanted to know, mostly for curiosity. I did look at the parent company and the patent application for their process. Seems like an interesting avenue, altho I noticed the mg/ml, from two different vendors, are both in 3 and 6 only. I wonder if that's by choice, necessity or cost.

 

[zoiDman]

Ban on e-cigarettes lifted to help smokers give up - Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust

"Dr Stephen Fowlie, Medical Director at Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust, said: "We have a duty to help our patients and staff make healthy life choices, and can't ignore the potential benefits of electronic cigarettes as a nicotine replacement therapy. We're now allowing e-cigarettes on our grounds to give our patients, staff and visitors more choice in how they quit smoking."

It's Really a Sham (opps... I meant "Shame") that the FDA does Not have this same Duty.

 

[sparkky1]

"Dr Stephen Fowlie, Medical Director at Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust, said: "We have a duty to help our patients and staff make healthy life choices, and can't ignore the potential benefits of electronic cigarettes as a nicotine replacement therapy. We're now allowing e-cigarettes on our grounds to give our patients, staff and visitors more choice in how they quit smoking."

It's Really a Sham (opps... I meant "Shame") that the FDA does Not have this same Duty.

Watergate Hotel

 

[Kent C]

SENATE DEMS: FDA Rule is Critical Step to Protecting Children and Teens from Tobacco Products | The U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

Thanks sparkky1.... I think it's worth citing this since there are a few more names to add to the "usual suspects" that hate vaping:

The list of Senators also signing the letter include: Senators Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Richard J. Durbin (D-IL), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Al Franken (D-MN), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Edward J. Markey (D-MA), Jeff Merkley (D-OR), Jack Reed (D-RI), Brian Schatz (D-HI), Charles Schumer (D-NY), Tom Udall (D-NM), Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI).

"Dear Secretary Burwell and Commissioner Califf,

We commend the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for finalizing the deeming rule that extends FDA regulatory authority to include all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, cigars, and pipe tobacco, to protect the public’s health—and especially the health of the youngest Americans—from the harmful effects of tobacco. The deeming rule is a much-needed step to give the FDA crucial tools to prevent manufacturers and retailers of currently unregulated tobacco products from targeting our children and teens, and we urge your agencies to remain diligent in working quickly to further limit the effect and reach of these products on our nation’s youth. "

Re: underlined - it will force those experimenting teens to the harmful effects of tobacco, rather than the harmless benefits of vaping

 

[bigdancehawk]

That was fun after the return - more like a few months though.....

 

[Sir Kadly]

remember when CASAA and other groups where in those closed door meetings with the FDA? The ones where CASAA and other groups and individuals were not allowed to disclose what was said?

Although the people that were there might be bound be a nondisclosure agreement, I wonder if the FDA's documentation of that meeting might be available through the FOIA?

 

[bigdancehawk]

They had to sign a statement saying they would not discuss anything.

Basically what we did get was all the FDA basically did was take notes and ask a few questions. Our case was stated and that is all I know. Confidentially agreement is pretty binding. The FDA did not tip its hand... at least not then.

They pretty much did though when the documents were released or leaked or whatever back in 2014. We just didn't think they could possibly be that draconian.

The first comment I can recall Zeller making about this was, "It's the wild, wild West out there!" If Zeller had been running things back in those days, he would have burned every town and village west of the Mississippi to the ground, blocked all the roads, imposed martial law, and locked up everybody who wasn't burned to a crisp.

 

[mattiem]

yeah by threatening you with eternal torment if you do not see things his way.

I would never presume to "preach" my beliefs on any one but had to say (and will not say another word about it) Those are not Gods words--Those are mans words, preached to control.

Sorry about the off topic post folks

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

In regards to "protecting the children"...

Is anyone else annoyed that, by their own figures, they have chosen to potentially protect roughly 400000 people at the cost of 6.7 million people?

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[Kent C]

Although the people that were there might be bound be a nondisclosure agreement, I wonder if the FDA's documentation of that meeting might be available through the FOIA?

 

[Sir Kadly]

I see, hadn't realized the the Freedom of Information Act allowed the Government to Freely hide Information.