Their was one other whatever you want to call it. Yea Baker as Kent mentioned but the ? used to enjoy pounding on you, me, and some of the regular long time activist. I can't recall his screen name but I would sure recognize his avatar. MIA! HA!
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Their was one other whatever you want to call it. Yea Baker as Kent mentioned but the ? used to enjoy pounding on you, me, and some of the regular long time activist. I can't recall his screen name but I would sure recognize his avatar. MIA! HA!
Wow, it takes awhile to get caught up here.
Don't forget that re-packaging is also "manufacturing" so if you're a shop that buys all of your e-liquid bulk from china and slaps a new label on it, with your shop name, you're a manufacturer.
Choking hazard! Drip tips need to come in CRP and should not be less than 2 inches in diameter.
As I noted to nicnik above, that includes modifying the packaging, or combining of products, so possibly even putting an atomizer and mod together?
Since 0mg liquid is considered a tobacco product component, I assume non-tobacco nic liquid would be as well. May not need all of the warning labels, but still subject to the regulations as a whole.
They're not worried about having enough staff to deal with the backlog of applications because they're not expecting a backlog of applications. I believe they've even stated that they only expect less than 10% of the current products to be submitted.
Your amounts need to be exactly the same, as does your supply line, every ingredient in your liquid needs to be verifiable as being exactly the same as it was before, as does your packaging down to the ink colors used.Those folks at the FDA must be pretty good actors not to have shown their hand
in these closed door meetings. If any of the .orgs that had a closed door meeting
with the FDA and had any kind of heads up on what we were in for they had better
have a good explanation.
Now that I have had time to mull this over some more I believe the FDA can do this and
it is in the regulations. I haven't been wearing my tinfoil hat for couple of days so forgive
me for not thinking of this sooner.
The part where they say each blend of juice no mater how minor the change is
considered a new product. Bingo. Most of the shops i have seen that make juice behind the
counter use big squeeze bottles pre filled with bases and pretty much just eyeball it.
Ergo,there is the minor change the FDA refers to in the reg.'s. This also has the extra
added benefit for the FDA to have a hidden extra form of regulation to add further
regulatory burdens that are not in the regulations. All the juice will have to be made
with automated computer precision bottling equipment to insure compliance.
Now that my tinfoil hat is on i feel confident I will not be so lackadaisical with
my assessments in the future. I should be getting my fifth gold sticky star
as soon as the next Republican is elected President.
Regards
Mike
There will be no more hand mixing, remember that every cigarette is manufactured to be identical to every other cigarette of that type, that's the level of control needed and expected.
There have been Many over the Years who have said that "Deeming" would Never amount to anything. If it even Ever happened.
Most would just Say their piece and then Move On. And that is OK. Don't Agree with it. But they are Entitled to their Opinions.
But there have been a Few, who have Openly Advocated that Vaper's should Do Nothing. And that Advocacy is a Waste of Time.
It to those that I say... "For they sow the wind, and they shall Reap the Whirlwind."
On another note, I just received a coupon in the mail for MarkTen's new XL product, twice the battery life!
Looks about the size of an eroll, and the carto appears to be female threaded, as opposed to the 510 threading on their original. Self contained, proprietary... someone's prepared.
Looks about the size of an eroll, and the carto appears to be female threaded, as opposed to the 510 threading on their original. Self contained, proprietary... someone's prepared.
Yes that is exactly what I am referring to. Very disappointed with @Bill Godshall and his opinion on this.
On that part, me too, very disappointed. But he might be right about the other part.Yes that is exactly what I am referring to. Very disappointed with @Bill Godshall and his opinion on this.
Yeah... I'm sure this sound Tin Foil Hat esk. But No One can Tell me that the Big 3 did not know how the PMTA Requirements would be written.
And I'm sure that All 3 are well on their way to Completing their New Product Submissions.
nicnik. Haven't you seen the Recent CDC Study that showed that Teens who used a 510 Connector are 72% More Likely to Start Smoking than those who use a Proprietary Connector?
14-19 using 510 are more likely to try 420 unless 86ed or 187ed.nicnik. Haven't you seen the Recent CDC Study that showed that Teens who used a 510 Connector are 72% More Likely to Start Smoking than those who use a Proprietary Connector?
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No tin foil hat required, what I don't understand is all the shock. We've ALL known how the PMTA requirements would be written for at least two years, longer once you realize they are functionally identical to cigarette PMTA requirements.
No one really wants to believe that their government no longer cares about them until they get the governmental "Dear John" letter and many weren't around or had forgotten about the 09 go around with the feds.
Anyhoo, I'm pretty sure that the FDA wants to break up with us.
I think what the Shock was, at least for Me, was Not that there would be PMTA Requirements, as you Mentioned, anyone who has Followed this knew that there would be PMTA requirements.
The Shock was that what the FDA has Released is Worse, Much Worse, than what they have Previously Eluded to. And in light of what the UK's Health Ministry have released, the FDA's actions seem to Fly in the Face of Current Science.
I really Wonder if it would be Easier to bring a New Cigarette to Market vs. an e-Cigarette Product?
To me it feels a bit more like a young hottie(FDA) married to a rich person with terminal cancer(US). "No, no, honey, don't try those newfangled treatments that everyone says are working, they're all just nonsense. I'm sure this next round of chemo will work, after all, 6th times the charm!"
Well, there was that ONE... for snus, that PROVED that the pathway is viable. How much did that one cost Swedish Match?
Don't forget that she's also colluding with her two other boyfriends, Big Tom and Big Phil, because she's a gold-digger.
To me, it is more like This...
Just replace the words "Mr. Beale" with "e-cigarettes" every time it is said.
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